Here https://www.theguardian.com/commenti.../serbia-kosovo

So basically you are saying - cool, the Americans are profiting from the war in Ukraine - they are producing high-end weaponry, and, tough luck, the Russians are missing out - their weapons suck. Where should I begin...

I didn't add that on purpose (and I'm Polish), because we saw clearly before that every accusation of barbarism will be pushed back by arz as fake or some other quibble.

For me, it's really about honest understanding of how people like arz think.
What worries me is that I'm burning my energy discussing with paid trolls :/

definitely a winner for the west/NATO. not so sure about ukraine though.

Not being forced to surrender is a win, and destroying many invaders is also a win.

Didn't they all want a separation from each other? Including Croats from Serbs, and those share the same language (as far as I know)? They even fought fiercely against each other. Slovenians always considered themselves a different breed, more civilised, prosperous, similar to the superiority complex (not totally unjustified) of the Czechs in the Central and Eastern Europe. So.....but anyway, we digress. Totally different context, reasons and level of destruction of the enemy.
(I remember I was still a child during the Yugoslav wars and the public opinion in my country - at that time -was very much against Nato bombardments and against that war itself....but what did we know, the info or media channels were far away from today)

We spoke about Nazism, not barbarism.
barbarism is a subjective term, and examples of barbarism can be found in the history of almost any European state. Nazism has a very strict definition, and the incorrect use of this term has an obvious goal to disguise the true causes and culprits of the conflict.

And if you shout F**k the Government or write "Criminal" on the door of the president or prime-minister (even with faeces) you'll be fined, not thrown into prison for 10 years or more, or die of suspect causes and in suspect circumstances.
I don't know about others, but I personally find that very comforting...things are definitely not perfect in the West, but if I had to choose? Oh dear.

Interesting view here. You don't feel the West is free? Switzerland for instance, is it not free, or is it "not West"?

Do you think you're living in an authoritarian society? Compared to which countries, what are your reference points? What should the West do to be "more free", "freer" than it already is, since all the extremes are tolerated (up to a point, of course)?
Do you see so much tolerance anywhere else??

Oh my, NAT. You quoted a banned troll. You bored?

I never planed to discuss that, but since you are asking so nicely:
Nazism was in Nazi Germany by Nazi Party and Nazi Adolf.

There is no Nazism in Ukraine nor in Russia. We don't need to identify deeds with some ideology. There are just deeds that are right of wrong.

You can "troll around" how right and wrong are subjective terms, but they are not. Not for mentally healthy people.

This is exactly and precisely true. The incorrect usage is in play in order to disguise that it Russia that has caused this conflict and Russia that is the culprit.

From the OED - Nazism.

You can read all about it here.

Hugo Rifkind commented in his article (the one I mentioned before) that the Russian definition is along the lines of "If you don't want to be Russian, then you must be a Nazi" (especially if your country was once part of the USSR, but also applies in part to Warsaw Pact former members, like Poland).

but getting used as cannon fodder in a prolonged war for the west is not a win.
i guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Nope, we can still play at arm chair psychologist.

There are certain personality types that for whatever reason are very competitive. People like this won't acknowledge a win unless one side wins all and all others lose. When both sides of the deal, it's perceived as failure. So, competitiveness becomes a ballast because opportunities are let go.

So, please take a seat and tell us how you always get the best of deals and no one, no one, has ever profited from you or your efforts.

Do you mean the Russian soldiers who are ordered to be there but have nothing to gain/win?

From Komsomolskaya Pravda.

"Hitler's former allies are now arming Ukraine. Today [Europe] is working for Ukrainian fascists".

https://youtu.be/fy910FG46C4

To make a bit more clear what vushka and arz are talking about.

Quite entertianing new YT channel I found filmed on the ground from UA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W56ia702Mo

In other news, I saw Western donated artillery has reached the front lines and now UA is outranging Russian artillery. I'll be interested to see if/how this changes Russia's approach.

Still a very softened interpretation.

What happens in the schools and youth camps is much more impressive.

Finland joining NATO will double the length of Russian land border with NATO!!

Sure, let's talk about Azov battalion not about the Russian army....

Actually they fight for their land, literally. Even those Ukrainians of other ethnicities. And many are even dying in this war....I don't think there's stronger proof that people fight for their home other than this. And we are talking about people who could have ran away from this war asking for citizenship or protection from neighbouring countries. (history is complicated, isn't it)

two problems i have with this:

1- an article i shared a few days ago indicated that the west would not be ready to reach an agreement with russia even if ukraine is.
2- ukrainian men are conscripted and not allowed to leave the country. so they don't get to choose whether they fight for nato or not.