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Old 16.05.2022, 10:46
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Of course, it all came with a price-tag. But you have to wonder what some politicians these days would be willing to do if they could start again with such a clean slate?
Far from a clean slate. Lots of rubble, corpses decomposing under the sun, minefields, unexplosed ordnance, people with lifetime disabilities, polluted sites.
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Old 16.05.2022, 10:56
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"Sometimes it seems that Russia is destined only to show the whole world how not to live and what not to do." - Pyotr Chaadaev, Russian philosopher.
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Old 16.05.2022, 11:05
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Far from a clean slate. Lots of rubble, corpses decomposing under the sun, minefields, unexplosed ordnance, people with lifetime disabilities, polluted sites.

Oh, indeed.
But the rubble got cleaned up rather quickly. Less time than it took to open BER....


You have to remember: back then, few people had anything left. Any politician will tell you that one of the hardest things to do as a politicians is to take away something from somebody.


Regulations existed, but far less than today.


Of course, most rich people still had a lot of money left and could pick up stuff for pennies on the dollar - which I'm quite sure is gonna happen once the dust has settled in Ukraine: lot's of lucrative deals being handed to connected people from the US, lot's of businesses changing hands, with at least a minority US investor (or a Delaware LLC, or a BVI shell corp) on the list.



War still is a racket.
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Of course, most rich people still had a lot of money left and could pick up stuff for pennies on the dollar - which I'm quite sure is gonna happen once the dust has settled in Ukraine: lot's of lucrative deals being handed to connected people from the US, lot's of businesses changing hands, with at least a minority US investor (or a Delaware LLC, or a BVI shell corp) on the list.



War still is a racket.
And? Somebody will have to clean up Russia's mess, don't you think? High level corruption is always an issue, corruption exists even in Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy etc etc Don't worry, I bet all the important countries within EU will have a big share in UA's reconstruction, Germany and France included....actually especially them. Exactly these two guys that had probably the most "oily" (fishy) and friendly behaviour towards Russia, if we don't count mignons like Hungary etc.
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Old 16.05.2022, 12:58
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Scorecard of economic sanctions on Russia by The Economist. https://www.economist.com/finance-an...-trade-surplus

In cash terms/trade surplus it seems Russia will do great in the following months. I'm sure these numbers will be boasted as victory. This also explains the rouble price.

Back to reality, what's more important? A nice trade surplus or replacement parts to keep the machines running?

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WITHIN DAYS of Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, Russia’s financial system seemed on the verge of collapse. The West imposed a range of financial sanctions, notably on the Russian central bank’s foreign-exchange reserves, that sent the rouble plunging and led citizens to withdraw cash frantically. Then the central bank raised interest rates, imposed capital controls and injected liquidity into the banking system, and some of these misfortunes reversed. Although a chunk of Russia’s currency reserves remains frozen, the country still generates about $1bn a day from its energy exports.

Russia has stopped publishing detailed monthly trade statistics. But figures from its trading partners can be used to work out what is going on. They suggest that, as imports slide and exports hold up, Russia is running a record trade surplus.

On May 9th China reported that its goods exports to Russia fell by over a quarter in April, compared with a year earlier, while its imports from Russia rose by more than 56%. Germany reported a 62% monthly drop in exports to Russia in March, and its imports fell by 3%. Adding up such flows across eight of Russia’s biggest trading partners, we estimate that Russian imports have fallen by about 44% since the invasion of Ukraine, while its exports have risen by roughly 8%.
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Old 16.05.2022, 14:58
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Back to reality, what's more important? A nice trade surplus or replacement parts to keep the machines running?
Victory!
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Old 16.05.2022, 17:11
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The mind boggles at the sheer level of inane and ignorant garbage that spews forth from your fevered mind to your keyboard and then onto our long-suffering screens. How anyone can think thousands of people being killed, major cities being razed and millions of people being turned into refugees as "the best thing ever to happen to a country" can imo only described as somewhat unhinged and delusional.
Oooo Chuffy, I go all gooey when you blow up. By the way I thought about what you said in your last PM and sorry I just can’t see a shrink, they are simply too expensive.
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Old 16.05.2022, 17:17
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Compare that to Ukraine, which is (comparatively) low educated, low developed country, which also had the unattractive tag of being one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.
Sorry, but Ukraine is not low educated at all.
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Old 16.05.2022, 17:46
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Sorry, but Ukraine is not low educated at all.
Perhaps not the Ukrainian refugees that have made it as far as Switzerland, but by and large this is the case.

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According to British economist Frances Cairncross (in April 2010) "Ukrainian education is too inward-looking, too corrupt and too poor to do a good job".[30] According to Swedish economist Anders Åslund (in October 2012) the best parts of the Ukrainian education system are basic education in mathematics and science;

Ukrainian professor O. Bazaluk [uk] reports that the Ukrainian education provides for a student nothing more than an illusion of training. As a result the majority of the Ukrainian graduates do not possess even a basic level of professional knowledge when they leave their schools. Due to extremely ineffective educational policy of the Ukrainian government and ubiquitous corruption the everyday life of the society has been significantly changed. The new developed qualities of the social transformation include aggression, rudeness, intolerance, boastfulness, reticence etc.[31]

In 2013 the education system received the third highest percentage among Ukrainians of having given a bribe too with 33%.[32]
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By the way I thought about what you said in your last PM and sorry I just can’t see a shrink, they are simply too expensive.
Is that not some form of harassment?!
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Old 16.05.2022, 18:06
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Oooo Chuffy, I go all gooey when you blow up. By the way I thought about what you said in your last PM and sorry I just can’t see a shrink, they are simply too expensive.
It wasn't a PM, it was a rep comment and I meant it. Your posts are becoming increasingly unhinged.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

There is always something to criticize. But in general it's not that bad. It's just different, still a bit of Soviet kind (but Soviet educational system also wasn't that bad). Though the youngest kids follow a more modern program after the educational reform.

Ukrainian mothers are surprised when they learn how slow the school program in Switzerland is. Math at Swiss schools is 2 schools years behind of Ukraine, the refugee kids are bored at the math lessons. Education in Ukraine is indeed more STEM oriented, liberal arts are a bit behind, especially foreign languages. Though the younger generation is definitely better in foreign languages than the older.
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Old 16.05.2022, 18:23
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I don't think Slammer needs you to protect him.
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Math at Swiss schools is 2 schools years behind of Ukraine, the refugee kids are bored at the math lessons.
When my son claimed he was bored with Maths, I gave him Spivak's Calculus to work through. I recommend it. (I gave him the copy my dad gave me...)
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Yes on top of all the sanctions, at long last Mac Donalds's leaves Russia for good.


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Renault leaving as well.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61463874
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It wasn't a PM, it was a rep comment and I meant it. Your posts are becoming increasingly unhinged.
PM, Rep...Who cares? Thing is we have already met, oodles of yonks ago. I measured you and weighed you and found you so very wanting that since then I regard you as I would a handbag chihuahua, yipping and nipping at anything it doesnīt understand, which frankly is a lot.
I believe that you constantly attack me because I donīt take you as seriously as you take yourself, so why donīt you do me a favour and fornicate off to another playground and let the grown ups discuss things in a grown up manner.

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Old 16.05.2022, 20:30
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Far from a clean slate. Lots of rubble, corpses decomposing under the sun, minefields, unexplosed ordnance, people with lifetime disabilities, polluted sites.
In 40, 50 or 60 years down the line, when a new and modern Ukraine is prospering again under the Nato umbrella nobody will care. Except for Children who will learn the statistics at school
All the bodies and minefields and rubble will be gone, except for monuments. People will come to Ukraine on Battlefield tours, they will visit the steelworks at Mariupol just like they do at Fort Douaumont or Waterloo or at the US civil war battlesites.
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PM, Rep...Who cares? Thing is we have already met, oodles of yonks ago. I measured you and weighed you and found you so very wanting that since then I regard you as I would a handbag chihuahua, yipping and nipping at anything it doesnīt understand, which frankly is a lot.
I believe that you constantly attack me because I donīt take you as seriously as you take yourself, so why donīt you do me a favour and fornicate off to another playground and let the gown ups discuss things in a grown up manner.
"gown ups"? Is this a variation on "trust me, I am a doctor"?
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In 40, 50 or 60 years down the line, when a new and modern Ukraine is prospering again under the Nato umbrella nobody will care. Except for Children who will learn the statistics at school
All the bodies and minefields and rubble will be gone, except for monuments. People will come to Ukraine on Battlefield tours, they will visit the steelworks at Mariupol just like they do at Fort Douaumont or Waterloo or at the US civil war battlesites.
I don't know how to express myself without offending you, but at least I hope you will not mind when no one will care about your pain and ultimately your death.
You are clearly going that pathway now.
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"gown ups"? Is this a variation on "trust me, I am a doctor"?
corrected.
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