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18.05.2022, 22:55
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I can say that I am a bit jealous of vushka.
He found someone to go Inspector Barnaby all over his posts to find some minutia over how he posts, grammar…….just wow  | | | | | Yep. You're so dull and ineffective, they've never bothered. Oh wait... nobody's done it to me either! | The following 2 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post: | | 
18.05.2022, 23:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | There will be many millions of famine victims because Russia invaded Ukraine, blockaded the Black Sea so preventing food exports, and likely will disrupt the usual July/August wheat harvest. | | | | | I fear, these are just decoys, pawns on a chessboard. A bait, the West has easily swallowed up.
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18.05.2022, 23:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I fear, these are just decoys, pawns on a chessboard. A bait, the West has easily swallowed up. | | | | | I'm starting to think that the people most surprised by Russian army and government making mistakes left and right are NOT the Russians. Some people need to believe that Russia is a powerful and unbeatable ogre, otherwise the way the have lived their lives in the last decades makes no sense. So, in order to feel safe and stay sane...Russia is almighty. Being coherent is more important than opening the eyes.
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19.05.2022, 01:23
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
“The Europeans directly acknowledge that they can’t completely give up Russian energy resources,” said Putin on Tuesday, according to news agency Interfax. “It’s even more obvious that some EU states that have a particularly high level of Russian hydrocarbons in their energy mix won’t be able to give up Russian oil for a long time.”
“Giving up Russian energy resources will make Europe the region with the highest energy costs in the world systematically, for the long term,” he added. “And this may have very serious . . . irreversible consequences for a significant part of European industry.”
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19.05.2022, 08:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | There's no way to kick anybody out of Nato against their will.
As for Finland and Sweden joining: Turkey has a problem with their support for members of the terrorist organisation called PKK. The US, the EU, and Turkey have the same position in that.
But hey, never let a good opportunity to smear an entire nation pass you by. Especially if it's based on nothing but prejudice. | | | | | How the hell is Finland, Finland? supporting PKK? I can think of Sweden as ultraliberal with a very large immigrant community coming from certain countries but Finland?
Turkey would like everyone else to kick out every Kurd and to hand them in to Erdogan's fair justice system, isn't it. Oh, yeah, that's prejudice for you.
Turkey is playing Russia's game and they do it for some time. PKK is a pretext. Turkey, like Hungary, are openly saying they like "illiberal democracy" so nobody should stop them, really.
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19.05.2022, 08:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I'm starting to think that the people most surprised by Russian army and government making mistakes left and right are NOT the Russians. Some people need to believe that Russia is a powerful and unbeatable ogre, otherwise the way the have lived their lives in the last decades makes no sense. So, in order to feel safe and stay sane...Russia is almighty. Being coherent is more important than opening the eyes. | | | | | Well that is the big surprise isn´t it?
This is simply not the Red Army that was feared in the eighties and rightly so. With thousands of tanks hammering through the Fulda gap followed by troops from all over the Warschau Pakt.
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19.05.2022, 09:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Former President George W Bush:
"The decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq... I mean of Ukraine" | This user would like to thank vushka for this useful post: | | 
19.05.2022, 09:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Well, Mariupol was, emphasis on was, a Russophone city. 30-50% people spoke Russian there and see what happened to it. In order to save you from the thugs I had to destroy you first. Why are you not thankful? I'm empathetic, why don't you acknowledge it? | | | | | Yep, the "justification" of this war in a nutshell... | Quote: | |  | | | Former President George W Bush:
"The decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq... I mean of Ukraine"  | | | | | And in your view, does the war in Iraq justifies this one in Ukraine?
Actually I know the answer and we're just running in circles here. Meantime in Ukraine people die or try to get out of there. All because of one man's sick and outdated ambitions.
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19.05.2022, 10:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And in your view, does the war in Iraq justifies this one in Ukraine?
Actually I know the answer and we're just running in circles here. Meantime in Ukraine people die or try to get out of there. All because of one man's sick and outdated ambitions. | | | | | i can't really say. obviously in an ideal world we wouldn't need wars. but the world is a cruel place.
i only posted the quote because sometimes i do find the wests idealised sense or history amusing.
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19.05.2022, 10:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | i can't really say. obviously in an ideal world we wouldn't need wars. but the world is a cruel place.
i only posted the quote because sometimes i do find the wests idealised sense or history amusing. | | | | | Are you referring to moral values?
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19.05.2022, 10:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | i can't really say. obviously in an ideal world we wouldn't need wars. but the world is a cruel place.
i only posted the quote because sometimes i do find the wests idealised sense or history amusing. | | | | | You have to make an effort to find someone who idealises George W. Bush. I lived in Texas for a year back on 2006. At the time a lot of people derided the guy and his administration, other people said "it's complicate, there's light and darkness at the same time" and the only people who jump to defend the guy had some relationship with police, military or government job.
Anyway, it's funnier in video. Let's enjoy the freedom to laugh at George W. Bush. In other places it's not OK to share the vids like this for shits and giggles. | 
19.05.2022, 11:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | i can't really say. obviously in an ideal world we wouldn't need wars. but the world is a cruel place.
i only posted the quote because sometimes i do find the wests idealised sense or history amusing. | | | | | How can any sane person (institution/society) NEED a war?
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19.05.2022, 11:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | How can any sane person (institution/society) NEED a war? | | | | | RUAG, CACI, Goodrich, Dyncorp, Navistar, ManTech, HP, Textron, Rockwell, ATK, URS, KBR, ITT, Pratt & Whitney, GE, Honeywell, Computer Sciences Corp, Oshkosh, SAIC, United Tech, L-3 Comm, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop, Boeing, Lockheed, etc..
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19.05.2022, 11:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | RUAG, CACI, Goodrich, Dyncorp, Navistar, ManTech, HP, Textron, Rockwell, ATK, URS, KBR, ITT, Pratt & Whitney, GE, Honeywell, Computer Sciences Corp, Oshkosh, SAIC, United Tech, L-3 Comm, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop, Boeing, Lockheed, etc.. | | | | | Yes, apart from weapon manufacturers obviously.
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19.05.2022, 12:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | How can any sane person (institution/society) NEED a war? | | | | | I hope we all agree that the ones who want or need the war are insane, even though would probably pass a formal psychiatric test.
However, manipulations with history, such as the WWII and the wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia, supported by very sane and very peaceful people help insane people keep starting or causing the wars.
The war in Iraq does not justify the Russian invasion to Ukraine.
The difference in reaction to these wars, however, does justify further invasions by supporting the idea that some wars are better than others.
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19.05.2022, 12:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The difference in reaction to these wars, however, does justify further invasions by supporting the idea that some wars are better than others. | | | | | Er...no. Not really.
Putin wanted this war, by the way.
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19.05.2022, 12:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | How can any sane person (institution/society) NEED a war? | | | | | A limited war here and there keeps the blade sharp.
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19.05.2022, 13:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Meanwhile, from the guys standing on top on great natural gas resources and are not afraid to use their media as foreign policy tool: | Quote: |  | | | Putin was forced into a diplomatic retreat on the issue of Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
“As to enlargement, Russia has no problem with these states – none,” he said on May 16.
“And so in this sense there is no immediate threat to Russia from an expansion [of NATO] to include these countries,” Putin told the leaders of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation, a military alliance of former Soviet states.
“But the expansion of military infrastructure into this territory would certainly provoke our response,” he said.
Putin’s position marked a diplomatic retreat from that expressed by former Russian president and ally Dmitry Medvedev, who said in April that Russia would deploy nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad, across the Baltic Sea from Finland and Sweden, should they consider membership in the military alliance.
“A threat has value while you don’t have to make good on it,” said Constantinos Filis, who directs the Institute of Global Affairs at the American College of Greece.
“Russia threatened Sweden and Finland with consequences if they entered NATO. Once they did so, it was humiliating to insist,” Filis said.
“Putin was forced to soften his stance, to say … they will suffer consequences if they turn against Russia. Of course, Putin knows that both countries have previously said they don’t want to host NATO bases, missile systems and so on,” Filis told Al Jazeera. | | | | | https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...omatic-defeats | The following 3 users would like to thank Axa for this useful post: | | 
19.05.2022, 14:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | How the hell is Finland, Finland? supporting PKK? I can think of Sweden as ultraliberal with a very large immigrant community coming from certain countries but Finland? | | | | | Maybe you should inform yourself. Just maybe.
You seem rather upset, apparently that keeps you from understanding what I wrote. Don't worry, it'll be Ok, as usual we'll manage somehow.
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19.05.2022, 15:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Signs that the war in Ukraine has become totally static: EF re-litigates Covid measures in Covid thread.
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