To slammer, kiwiguy8 who keeps groaning every post here which is not favourable to Russia and every one else who either pretends is a specialist but reads only Kremlin's propaganda and then reproduces completely false or silly things here, or is a payed troll, in which case I don't hope you'll be more intelligent after hearing what educated people have to say but at least you will know your posts are totally ridiculous and everyone with a iota of sense know it....I will post it again.



Kiwiguy08 et.co....you keep what you're doing on EF, as if it mattered....as if anyone would listen to the Kremlin nonsense you have to repeat here ad nauseam.

Is that a variant of "if you don´t like it here, leave?"
I think you are incorrect in your assessment, take a look at the history of the last thirty years. Successes of German and French and Italian governments did try to integrate Russia into Europe, they saw this as the best way to get over the cold war and have a stable peace in Europe.
Why, I ask is this such a bad thing? They did their best with what they had, sadly the politicians who stood behind this way of thinking (and are still living) are being vilified as the Zeitgeist dictates and don´t forget, approaching Russia started with Adenauer and continued over Schmidt, Kohl and Schröder and has now ended with Scholz.
And all along the US was against any kind of approach to the Soviets and subsequently the Russian federation, you can look this up. Do they know something other governments don´t, or do they want to get rid of a challenger to their hegemony? Because one thing is for certain, the world we know will change in America´s favour.

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Back in Bavaria, god´s own belly button.

So they did try to "integrate" Russia after all, isn't it? I'm glad we agree on something.

Yeah, trey tried to integrate it without any concession in exchange and we see the results now. Even the current chancellor of Germany agrees they had an uncritical relationship.
Or, if you think Russia should have given more concessions than they were already given......it was OK when they planted all the separatists conflicts in the ex-republics, wasn't it? OK when they killed their people abroad (and at home, all the opposition basically), wasn't it?
What else do you have in mind for integrating them more? Bend over? The west already did that too.

I don´t disagree with you here. Never have.
But I don´t believe that Russia unilaterally is the bad guy here. "The West" wasn´t sitting around in green fields singing Kumbayah while the big bad red wolf gnawed at the gate and I believe that had the US at least tried to understand the Russian situation, then things could well have played out differently.

Do not agree about the US, Trump took every opportunity to brown nose Putin. He spoke several times about improving relations with Russia but, as usual, turning words into actions was too much trouble.

The Ukrainians continue to demonstrate their gratitude for Putin liberating them.

Russia IS unilaterally the bad guy. Whatever grievances Russia had with Ukraine, however bad Zelenski was and however corrupt Ukraine was instantly became irrelevant once putler attacked. The moral high ground is clearly with the Ukrainians, sadly, that matters little on the battle-field.

For your info, I am rather judicious with groans, but both posts you were attacking people as Kremlin agents with no proof, simply because they disagree with your views. It’s borderline libel. (at least the part about you being an educated person )

But, but Sergei Lavrov (Russian forerign minister) said this in French TV interview yesterday:

https://twitter.com/TF1Info/status/1530978244480081921

So, what's up? On one side there's people saying Macron in France lacks leadership and on the other side there are the Russians telling Macron is actively looking for war.

I feel that the main reason that people here have problem with your views is that you chose Switzerland for some reason and you are still free to change that choice.

At the same time you seem to praise how life in Russia looks like and how wrong "the western" people are about that.

So then people here will ask themselves "why is he not living in Russia then? If living in Russia seems to be better than in Switzerland". There is an inconsistency in logic from their point of view.
And then they come with the conclusion of "Russian troll". It's the explanation for that inconsistency.

Of course Lavrov is saying that. At the same time, Macron and Scholz calling Putin and trying to sell a ceasefire can only signal to the Russians that they are on track.

Also, Lavrov denied that Putin is ill. Of course.

It's clear from the many and varied politically sensitive threads that kiwiguy08 posts in, that he is just a regular guy, albeit one who is clearly disenfranchised and vulnerable to all the wrong kinds of suggestion (conspiracy theories, anti-science, right-wing talking points, anti-government etc). It is every members choice whether as to on what level they engage with him. If people keep reading his posts and replying to him, despite knowing he is not in the slightest bit interested in any kind of debate, then they only have themselves to blame.

In the case of France it looks like a stick and carrot situation. Nuclear submarines departed some weeks ago and they're just waiting somewhere. Of course, French locals only saw the submarines leave their docks, there is no official position of where they are and what they're carrying, that's the point.

https://www.franceinter.fr/monde/la-...leaires-en-mer

Yes, this is the whole point of ballistic missile submarines. There are always out there hiding and waiting for a day that hopefully never comes. Must be a weird job.

somewhat ironically the russian propaganda has so far been more accurate and reality-based than the western media!

I cannot afford food and gasoline for my thirsty baby anymore according to TASS :/

https://tass.com/pressreview/1457641

The Westerners who praise Russia and China and all these authoritarian regimes wouldn't last a year there.

well as we've seen many times axa you seem incapable of putting yourself in other people's shoes and seem to think that your personal situation is the standard for everyone so don't worry too much about it.

So why don't you share that propaganda with us instead of the rubbish propaganda you usually copy?

Good to see Russia admitting that Europeans have comfortable living standards.