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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Too bad the Kachelofen of my parents can't be used to create warm water.

They're heating with gas since a few years.

"Winter is coming", indeed.

As for the EU membership of Ukraine: my guess is it will go the same way as that of Turkey: nowhere.

Everybody knows this, it's just window-dressing.
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Well Selensky didn´t look very happy and if you look read between the lines of all the political flim flammery, you could get that impression.
Especially since they have offered a EU membership to Ukraine and indeed Moldovia to boot.
Great, two more economical basket cases in the EU.
By the way, the Reds have cut most of the supply of gas to the EU, Habeck is calling out for people to save gas and that homes don´t have to be at 21°. 18° is enough. Perhaps we will see rationing by the time winter comes round again.

Well surprise, surprise !!, the day after the 3 EU leaders from France, Germany and Italy visit Kyiv.


Who should come knocking on President Zelensky's door today but Boris Johnson, saying Britain will do better. Yep Brexit Britain is not only offering to host next years Eurovision Song Contest but is also stepping up the military support, so as not to be outdone by the EU in it's favours to Ukraine.


Who knows maybe at this rate Boris will go one better than the EU and invite Ukraine to join the British Commonwealth ??



Boris Johnson travels to Kyiv to meet Volodymyr Zelensky again
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Old 17.06.2022, 20:19
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Well surprise, surprise !!, the day after the 3 EU leaders from France, Germany and Italy visit Kyiv.


Who should come knocking on President Zelensky's door today but Boris Johnson, saying Britain will do better. Yep Brexit Britain is not only offering to host next years Eurovision Song Contest but is also stepping up the military support, so as not to be outdone by the EU in it's favours to Ukraine.


Who knows maybe at this rate Boris will go one better than the EU and invite Ukraine to join the British Commonwealth ??


Boris Johnson travels to Kyiv to meet Volodymyr Zelensky again
Well, Britain did. stop the Russkis in the Crimea in the 1850ties. Time for a rematch methinks.
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Yep Brexit Britain is not only offering to host next years Eurovision Song Contest but is also stepping up the military support, so as not to be outdone by the EU in it's favours to Ukraine.
To be fair, we were second. And the Ukraine vote was somewhat loaded by sympathy.

And the British armed forces have been arming and training Ukraine since 2014. At least on defense secretary had foresight - despite resistance from the civil service - to supply offensive weapons in the six months preceding the invasion.
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To be fair, we were second. And the Ukraine vote was somewhat loaded by sympathy.

And the British armed forces have been arming and training Ukraine since 2014. At least on defense secretary had foresight - despite resistance from the civil service - to supply offensive weapons in the six months preceding the invasion.
I still wonder what HMS Defender was doing up the Crimea a while back.
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I still wonder what HMS Defender was doing up the Crimea a while back.
Acting in the best traditions of the Royal Navy in Singeing Putin's stubbly chin by skirting the Crimean peninsular.
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Old 17.06.2022, 21:05
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Acting in the best traditions of the Royal Navy in Singeing Putin's stubbly chin by skirting the Crimean peninsular.
Were they looking to cause a Tonkin incident perhaps?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...tary-conflict/
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Old 20.06.2022, 12:07
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

News that get lost in the news...a cyber attack disabled the modems that allowed devices to get internet from a satellite in Ukraine and other European countries.

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More than 22,000 miles above Earth, the KA-SAT is locked in orbit. Traveling at 7,000 miles per hour, in sync with the planet’s rotation, the satellite beams high-speed internet down to people across Europe. Since 2011, it has helped homeowners, businesses, and militaries get online. However, as Russian troops moved into Ukraine during the early hours of February 24, satellite internet connections were disrupted. A mysterious cyberattack against the satellite’s ground infrastructure—not the satellite itself—plunged tens of thousands of people into internet darkness.

Among them were parts of Ukraine’s defenses. “It was a really huge loss in communications in the very beginning of war,” Viktor Zhora, a senior official at Ukraine’s cybersecurity agency, the State Services for Special Communication and Information Protection (SSSCIP), reportedly said two weeks later. He did not provide any more details, and SSSCIP did not respond to WIRED’s request for comment. But the attack against the satellite internet system, owned by US company Viasat since last year, had even wider ramifications. People using satellite internet connections were knocked offline all across Europe, from Poland to France.

Almost a month after the attack, the disruptions continue. Thousands still remain offline in Europe—around 2,000 wind turbines are still disconnected in Germany—and companies are racing to replace broken modems or fix connections with updates. Multiple intelligence agencies, including those in the US and Europe, are also investigating the attack. The Viasat hack is arguably the largest publicly known cyberattack to take place since Russia invaded Ukraine, and it stands out for its impact beyond Ukraine’s borders. But questions about the details of the attack, its purpose, and who carried it out remain—although experts have their suspicions.
https://www.wired.com/story/viasat-i...kraine-russia/

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Press Statement Antony J. Blinken, Secretary of State May 10, 2022
https://www.state.gov/attribution-of...ainst-ukraine/

So, it's interesting to see that internet via satellite is one of the first casualties in war, even in places far away from the actual shooting and bombing zone.
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Old 20.06.2022, 12:12
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

I wonder how many successful cyber attacks there have been on Russia in the last few months?
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Old 20.06.2022, 12:42
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Did they try to pressure Ukraine to make territorial concessions to Russia or to reach ceasefire deal as the sanctions will eventually hurt the economy of France, Germany and Italy?
If they did, that would be a huge mistake. Despite of what you may like to believe, Russia is not able to sustain a long term war either. It was a basket case in the nineties and it still is, all it has is natural resources they want to sell to the West for better prices than to China, for instance.
Russia won the Second World War with the help of the Americans, whom they (think) fight now fiercely. Russia was never as strong as they like to believe, they always received some help from the naive West, directly and indirectly.
But of course we can't have a rational discussion here, it's all about which side are you taking.

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Old 20.06.2022, 12:44
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I wonder how many successful cyber attacks there have been on Russia in the last few months?
Indeed, I'd expect the weak US lead by weak Biden to put a great effort on this war front for 2 reasons: (i) US can always claim "It wasn't me" as Russia never claimed to take the satellite communications down in Ukraine, and (ii) Putin is winning 200% of battles, it's simply not possible a successful cyber attack is committed against Russia by the weak, degenerate and decaying West.
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Putin is winning 200% of battles, it's simply not possible a successful cyber attack is committed against Russia by the weak, degenerate and decaying West
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to quickly get a strong leader, you know, like Putin.
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News that get lost in the news...a cyber attack disabled the modems that allowed devices to get internet from a satellite in Ukraine and other European countries.

https://www.wired.com/story/viasat-i...kraine-russia/

https://www.state.gov/attribution-of...ainst-ukraine/

So, it's interesting to see that internet via satellite is one of the first casualties in war, even in places far away from the actual shooting and bombing zone.
This is exactly why the Ukraine government tapped up Elon Musk to install his Starlink satellites which he did very quickly and now provides good internet coverage.

Very useful for the military who rely on satellites for all sorts of things like their artillery aiming app.
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This is exactly why the Ukraine government tapped up Elon Musk to install his Starlink satellites which he did very quickly and now provides good internet coverage.

Very useful for the military who rely on satellites for all sorts of things like their artillery aiming app.
The attack was against the modems on Earth. Satellite and it's link to Earth seem to be doing just fine.

Starlink may have been a choice because it's quicker to deploy new things than repair broken ones. But that doesn't mean other satellites, antennas and modems/receivers are not equally vulnerable.

Anyway, I was thinking about that electronic warfare could happen again far far away from physical bombs.
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The attack was against the modems on Earth. Satellite and it's link to Earth seem to be doing just fine.

Starlink may have been a choice because it's quicker to deploy new things than repair broken ones. But that doesn't mean other satellites, antennas and modems/receivers are not equally vulnerable.

Anyway, I was thinking about that electronic warfare could happen again far far away from physical bombs.
I still think that these continuing blackouts of card readers may have something to do with Russian hackers.
But what do I know?
More juicy news in the Fatherland these days, news that makes one think that one is in a Black Mirror episode. Habeck is firing up the coal plants again. Think about it... a greenie, a Atomkraft Nein Danke, a Mr. coal is baaaaad is firing up the coal plants. Not only that Germany will be refueling the remaining nuke plants and wants them to be online in the near future.
Just too bad that they have been de-fueled and nobody has ordered replacement.
This winter I would get the pop corn out but don´t think I´ll have the power to run the microwave.
But in all seriousness, it looks like somebody did the numbers and did not like the outcome they gave the numbers to the government, who shat a square teutonic brick and now there is something like a mad scramble for solutions.
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The attack was against the modems on Earth. Satellite and it's link to Earth seem to be doing just fine.

Starlink may have been a choice because it's quicker to deploy new things than repair broken ones. But that doesn't mean other satellites, antennas and modems/receivers are not equally vulnerable.

Anyway, I was thinking about that electronic warfare could happen again far far away from physical bombs.
Some more detail.

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Ukraine's government requested Starlink in order to counter Russian cyberattacks against its own satellite communications.

In the hours before the invasion began on February 24, Moscow launched "AcidRain" against Viasat, a US satellite communications company that was providing communication services to the Ukrainian military. "AcidRain" was a "wiper" designed to target Viasat modems and routers and erase their data before permanently disabling them.

In the first hours of the conflict, when the fog of war is thickest, the inability of Ukrainian commanders to communicate with each other and with their troops could have been catastrophic.
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Old 20.06.2022, 21:09
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Seen on twitter:

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So, only start worrying when they affirm nothing's going to happen to us
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So, only start worrying when they affirm nothing's going to happen to us
Or when Dmitry Medvedev says Russia wants to build an open Eurasia from Vladivostok to Lisbon.
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Old 21.06.2022, 06:53
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Just been on the news that Lithuania has cut the delivery of fuel to Kaliningrad, that Russian enclave in the EU. Russia has already announced that they will take measures to protect their interests in the region.

This could be fun to watch.
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