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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Ukrainian military officials took credit for two long-range missile strikes yesterday on an ammunition depot in Novooleksiivka in Henichensk district (north of Crimea) and on the battalion tactical group (BTG) command post of the 217th Guards Airborne Regiment in the Maksyma Horkoho on the southwestern Kherson Oblast coast.
Both of these places are outside the HIMARS range, no information on what missiles Ukraine is using.

No announcement of Russian retaliation for the attack on the Saki Naval Air Station in Crimea yesterday. Seems the Russians do not want to claim it was a Ukraine attack and so blame their own people, so far Ukraine has not claimed credit. They cannot announce retaliation without admitting it was Ukraine.
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Ukrainian military officials took credit for two long-range missile strikes yesterday on an ammunition depot in Novooleksiivka in Henichensk district (north of Crimea) and on the battalion tactical group (BTG) command post of the 217th Guards Airborne Regiment in the Maksyma Horkoho on the southwestern Kherson Oblast coast.
Both of these places are outside the HIMARS range, no information on what missiles Ukraine is using.

No announcement of Russian retaliation for the attack on the Saki Naval Air Station in Crimea yesterday. Seems the Russians do not want to claim it was a Ukraine attack and so blame their own people, so far Ukraine has not claimed credit. They cannot announce retaliation without admitting it was Ukraine.
This is the same narattive the Russians used about the Moskva being hit, at first saying that it was an internal explosion with the intention of putting the cause of the explosion & the Moskva sinking was due to an accident.

Check out The Drive link below - where an adviser to President Zelensky, Oleksiy Arestovych went along with the suggestion and even quipped that maybe some Russian soldiers had been smoking where they weren't supposed to be.

The Drive - Russia's Black Sea Flagship has exploded off Ukraine
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Old 12.08.2022, 12:57
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Before and after Satellite photos show the extent of the explosions at the Saky airbase in Crimea. The extent of the damage, the fact that there was not one explosion in one area but a number of explosions and aircraft damaged away from the main buildings, not to mention craters in the satellite photo, suggests more than accidental damage caused this.

BBC News - Crimea airbase badly damaged, satellite images show
Before and after photos indicate sabotage. I imagine they had a team on the ground place explosives on each plane and in the ammo dumps/buildings.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The Russian billionaire daring to speak out about Putin

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Boris Mints is one of a few rich Russian businesspeople to speak out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine and President Vladimir Putin.

The majority of high-profile people in the country have remained silent over the war, avoiding criticism of the Kremlin.

There is one simple explanation, according to Mr Mints: "They are all afraid." ...

The 64-year-old, who built his wealth through investment company O1 Group, which he founded in 2003 and then sold in 2018, said that in Russia the "usual way" to punish a business owner for their "intolerance" towards the regime was to "open a fabricated criminal case against their business".

"Such criminal cases will affect not only the business owners themselves, but also their family and employees," he said.

"Any business leader independent from [Putin] is seen as a threat as he or she may be capable of financing opposition or cultivating protest - as such, those people are seen as Putin's enemies and, therefore, as enemies of the state," he added. ...

Mr Mints felt he needed to leave Russia in 2015 for the UK "in the context of growing crackdown on political opposition", with Boris Nemtsov being shot dead that year. ...

Mr Mints called President Putin's actions "vile", saying the invasion was "the most tragic event in recent history, not only of Ukraine and Russia, but globally".

He also compared it to Adolf Hitler's invasion of Poland in 1939.

"This war is a result of madness and hunger for power of a single person, Vladimir Putin, supported by his inner circle," said Mr Mints, who was chairman of one of the largest pension asset managers in Russia until 2018. ...
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

That's not nice, they'll have to spend their vacations in Russia

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09/08/2022 The leaders of Estonia and Finland want other EU countries to stop issuing tourist visas to Russian citizens, saying they should not be able to travel to Europe on holiday while the Kremlin carries out a devastating war in Ukraine.

Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas wrote on Tuesday that “visiting Europe is a privilege, not a human right” and that it is “time to end tourism from Russia now”.

In response, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev compared Kallas to a “Nazi”.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/08/09/...dbd815099e2874
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https://www.euronews.com/2022/08/09/...dbd815099e2874

It would be a disaster for several reasons. THE consequence will be more support for Putin and the clique. Talk about helping the Russian government cement the notion of the "Other" in people's head.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

A Russian military blogger posted imagery on Telegram of his reported visit to the Wagner Group headquarters, in Popasna, on August 9. Wagner Group is a mercenary company used by the Russian army.
This location likely allows Wagner Group command to coordinate various offensive operations in northeastern Donetsk Oblast from well within Russian-occupied territory in Luhansk Oblast.
Various Russian and Ukrainian sources reported that Ukrainian forces destroyed the headquarters on August 14, possibly based on the aforementioned blogger’s Telegram post
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Russia's Vladimir Putin expands his Axis of Evil by embracing Kim Jong un's North Korea where he vows to have a comprehensive and constructive relationship with Pyongyang.

BBC News - Russia vows to expand relations with North Korea
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Russia's Vladimir Putin expands his Axis of Evil by embracing Kim Jong un's North Korea where he vows to have a comprehensive and constructive relationship with Pyongyang.

BBC News - Russia vows to expand relations with North Korea
Putin is going full Dr. Evil, all he needs now is a big white cat on his lap that he strokes while laughing maniacally.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Yet another Russian base in Crimea explodes. as usual the Russians blame a fire that triggered the explosions at an arms dump in Crimea.

BBC News - Explosions rock Russian base in Crimea
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Old 18.08.2022, 13:27
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Seems Russian losses are much higher than announced

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Putin signed a decree Monday reviving the honorary title "Mother Heroine," which Soviet leader Josef Stalin first established in 1944 in the wake of massive population losses during World War II.
Russia’s “Mother Heroine” title will be bestowed on women who bear and raise 10 or more children.
Surprised he did not follow the US and stop abortions, currently around a half million per year.

Probably the successful Ukraine attacks in Crimea are hoping to pull Russian army units from the front line into Crimea.

Edit: Official Russian sources are blaming the Crimean attacks on extremist Islam groups, without any evidence.

Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov has replaced Admiral Igor Osipov as the commander of the Crimean-based Black Sea Fleet (BSF), firing the military leader is unlikely to improve security. It just adds confusion into the chain of command.
Sokolov, 59, has held several senior positions in the Russian navy and has been in charge of N. G. Kuznetsov Naval Academy in St. Petersburg since 2020.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Just found this useful tracker of Western military and other support committed and delivered to Ukraine. As sad as it is, Europe's support is probably staying to be meager (in absolute terms, the commitment from the Baltics etc. is fantastic) and I hope the US continue to do the heavy lifting.

"The flow of new international support for Ukraine has dried up in July. No large EU country like Germany, France or Italy, has made significant new pledges. However, the gap between committed and disbursed aid has narrowed.

The newest update of the Ukraine Support Tracker (July 2 to August 3) shows that, in July, Ukraine received only around 1,5 billion euros in new pledges of support. In total, the tracker now records commitments of 84.2 billion euros.

“In July, donor countries initiated almost no new aid, but they did deliver some of the already committed support such as weapon systems," says Christoph Trebesch, head of the team that compiles the Ukraine Support Tracker. Germany, for example, has not announced any further military support, although it did send considerably military aid committed earlier."


https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-a...eLevel=not-set

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Just found this useful tracker of Western military and other support committed and delivered to Ukraine.
Very interesting, but why split among EU institutions + Germany + Poland + France + Italy?

Damn!!! If the UK were still there... :/

And, Estonia, Latvia, Lituania and Poland are doing a big effort
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Very interesting, but why split among EU institutions + Germany + Poland + France + Italy?
"EU institutions" is money out of the budgets of the EU Commission and from the EIB. They have a lengthy paper on methodology for download in case you want to read the very details.
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Old 18.08.2022, 17:23
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"EU institutions" is money out of the budgets of the EU Commission and from the EIB. They have a lengthy paper on methodology for download in case you want to read the very details.
Methodology does not explain why the split.

"EU institutions" are funded by member states. Don't know the recent numbers, but before Brexit, Germany, France, Italy and UK funded most of the EU budget (~3/4).

But I understand. Maybe they decided to split to improve the accountability of local parliaments managing national budgets VS EU parliament managing EU budget. However, from the taxpayer perspective there's no difference. Money comes from the same place
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

It seems the sanctions are working, Russians even remembered weapon customers in Latin America exist. They need the cash...yesterday

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Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday (15.08.2022) that his country is ready to distribute advanced weaponry across the globe, including in Latin America, which he says is superior to other weapons systems.

"Russia sincerely cherishes the historical strong, friendly, truly trusting ties with the states of Latin America, Asia, and Africa and is ready to offer its partners and allies the most modern types of weapons," Putin said at the opening of the Army-2022 International Military and Technical Forum outside of Moscow. "From small arms to armored vehicles and artillery, combat aircrafts and unmanned aerial vehicles."
Extra points: these weapons are super good, better than the competition...as being currently demonstrated in Ukraine.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-say...155640389.html
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Very interesting, but why split among EU institutions + Germany + Poland + France + Italy?

Damn!!! If the UK were still there... :/

And, Estonia, Latvia, Lituania and Poland are doing a big effort
Poland's role seems underplayed by quite a bit.

Most deliveries appear to happen via Poland, the logistics would probably be much more difficult without their willingness to help.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

There are multiple claims in newspapers today that the USA together with the UK announced that they would consider a ZNPP strike by Russians to be a trigger for NATO Article 5 which would be a full-out NATO war.

Hard to believe

Another claim is that if radioactive fallout from a ZNPP strike reaches a NATO country then that would be a trigger for NATO Article 5, still hard to believe.

More likely just Ukraine propaganda until some proof comes along.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Car bomb targeted at Russian "philosopher" and right-wing extremist Alexander Dugin kills his daughter in Moscow suburbs.

https://tass.com/emergencies/1496355

Hits are coming closer to home, it appears.
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Car bomb targeted at Russian "philosopher" and right-wing extremist Alexander Dugin kills his daughter in Moscow suburbs.

https://tass.com/emergencies/1496355

Hits are coming closer to home, it appears.
I read elsewhere that this could equally have been carried out by the FSB.
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