World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? - Page 367

marton · #**7321** 29.08.2022, 21:37

	Quote:	marton
	I read somewhere that a lot of millionaires have left Russia, pity to block them if more f them want to bring their money to Europe. Ukraine today (yet again) has announced a combined air and ground offense to retake Kherson, I will believe it when I see some results. Funny way to run a war to announce the next steps....

The latest Ukraine claims are they captured four villages near Kherson, broke the Russian defence line in three places and the Russians are fleeing.

It will be some days before we know if this is real or wishful thinking, hopefully there will be satellite photos.

For those who read Ukrainian.

marton · #**7322** 29.08.2022, 21:54

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	Sounds very similar to money laundering 1) ask for weapons and cash 2) announce an offensive 3) have a skirmish and use some of the equipment (the tax) 4) exaggerate the equipment used and lost 5) sell the majority of the unused weapons 6) Go back to step 1

Are you sure you even know what money laundering is?

money laundering; is the concealment of the origins of illegally obtained money, typically by means of transfers involving foreign banks or legitimate businesses.

What you are describing has nothing to do with money laundering.

I don't agree this is what Ukraine is doing; what you are describing is a type of fraud known as “obtaining property by false pretenses,”

kiwiguy08 · #**7323** 30.08.2022, 18:34

Seems the Brits are starting to be fed up with the open spigot feeding the UA trough. (and the sticker shock in the daily lives)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...igue-vdqgkzr6w

Just curious, does this make the people interviewed Kremlin agents or did the Times get bought out by Pravda?

AbFab · #**7324** 30.08.2022, 19:14

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	Seems the Brits are starting to be fed up with the open spigot feeding the UA trough. (and the sticker shock in the daily lives) https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...igue-vdqgkzr6w Just curious, does this make the people interviewed Kremlin agents or did the Times get bought out by Pravda?

So, how many Ukrainians have you take in??

kiwiguy08 · #**7325** 30.08.2022, 20:31

	Quote:	AbFab
	So, how many Ukrainians have you take in??

none, the feds couldn’t find someone to assign to me that met my criteria

marton · #**7326** 30.08.2022, 21:31

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	Seems the Brits are starting to be fed up with the open spigot feeding the UA trough. (and the sticker shock in the daily lives) https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...igue-vdqgkzr6w Just curious, does this make the people interviewed Kremlin agents or did the Times get bought out by Pravda?

It easy to recognise Kremlin agents they not only criticise the Ukraine but also admire Trump.

greenmount · #**7327** 31.08.2022, 10:01

	Quote:	Excad
	I'm not so sure about that. Every visit of Russians in EU may be a scratch on Putin's "propaganda shield". Maybe it will bring more awareness to Russian heads. And additionally, they leave money here, whereas Europeans are not leaving money in Russia.

They might leave money and...spies.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/russian...eneva/47706444

Anyways, I think a total ban is nonsense. There are medical, humanitarian, family etc reasons for which a visa should be granted.
There are two currents in the EU, with Czech Republic and Finland wanting a total ban and Germany and a few others wanting a selective visa system.
I hope reason and humanity will prevail....even when we think it shouldn't. Besides some (many?) people really want to get away from that regime and they even have reasons to do so.

John William · #**7328** 31.08.2022, 10:18

	Quote:	greenmount
	They might leave money and...spies. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/russian...eneva/47706444 Anyways, I think a total ban is nonsense. There are medical, humanitarian, family etc reasons for which a visa should be granted. There are two currents in the EU, with Czech Republic and Finland wanting a total ban and Germany and a few others wanting a selective visa system. I hope reason and humanity will prevail....even when we think it shouldn't. Besides some (many?) people really want to get away from that regime and they even have reasons to do so.

Surely there's nothing standing in the way of them defecting to 'the West' if they cannot get a visa.

NotAllThere · #**7329** 31.08.2022, 14:43

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	Sounds very similar to money laundering 1) ask for weapons and cash 2) announce an offensive 3) have a skirmish and use some of the equipment (the tax) 4) exaggerate the equipment used and lost 5) sell the majority of the unused weapons 6) Go back to step 1

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	just putting 2+2 together....try it sometime

Blatant trolling. Take a break.

marton · #**7330** 31.08.2022, 19:42

According to a Russian source, yes the Russians, Ukraine has broken through the Russian frontline and is now south of Kostromka, Kherson oblast, some 15/20 KM deep into Russian-occupied territory.

If true this would be incredible as during the last couple of months both sides were cheering advances of just hundreds of meters.
Either this is a complete fantasy or the Russian forces are in complete disarray.

It could be a Russian trap but with the advanced Ukraine satellite coverage (although cloudy skies) a trap should be seen.

The road on the right is the T2207 which is the main Russian supply route to Davydiv Brid and is now obstructed by Ukraine.

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michaelglavinci · #**7331** 31.08.2022, 21:16

	Quote:	John William
	Surely there's nothing standing in the way of them defecting to 'the West' if they cannot get a visa.

People defect when they are forbidden to leave the country, not when they are refused entry.

'I was denied Schengen visa - I will now defect to Schengen area'...

seriously...

michaelglavinci · #**7332** 31.08.2022, 21:18

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Blatant trolling. Take a break.

Yep, anything that 'does not stand with Ukraine' is blatant trolling.

Dont take but give me a break.

Enjoying your little powers, little man?

now go ahead and put me on the ban list.
(show yourself once more).

seriously.

Axa · #**7333** 31.08.2022, 21:59

	Quote:	michaelglavinci
	People defect when they are forbidden to leave the country, not when they are refused entry. 'I was denied Schengen visa - I will now defect to Schengen area'... seriously...

Asylum

https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationa...n-switzerland/

Belgianmum · #**7334** 31.08.2022, 22:07

	Quote:	michaelglavinci
	People defect when they are forbidden to leave the country, not when they are refused entry. seriously...

That’s not totally true.

michaelglavinci · #**7335** 01.09.2022, 00:20

	Quote:	Axa
	Asylum https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationa...n-switzerland/

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	That’s not totally true.

Maybe it's my English...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...ther%20network

Definition of defect (Entry 2 of 2)
intransitive verb

1: to forsake one cause, party, or nation for another often because of a change in ideology
a former KGB agent who defected to America
2: to leave one situation (such as a job) often to go over to a rival
the reporter defected to another network
Other Words from defect

litespeed · #**7336** 01.09.2022, 11:17

Concrete poisoning seems to endemic amongst the elite in Russia:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584

Axa · #**7337** 01.09.2022, 11:37

	Quote:	litespeed
	Concrete poisoning seems to endemic amongst the elite in Russia: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584

Smoking next to the window is as dangerous as smoking in ammo depots, accidents happen

Phil_MCR · #**7338** 01.09.2022, 11:46

Russian oligarch dies falling out of hospital window after critical remarks about the war:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584

Reb77Br · #**7339** 01.09.2022, 12:42

	Quote:	litespeed
	Concrete poisoning seems to endemic amongst the elite in Russia: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584

It definitely seems to be a hazard:

Russian ‘spy’ found dead after falling from window in Berlin embassy

Three Russian Frontline Health Workers Mysteriously Fell Out Of Hospital Windows

[Russian investigative journalist] Who Dies in Russia from Falling out a Window *

When A Russian Lawyer Falls Out Of A Window, 'I Don't Think It's An Accident'

Scot Young death 'wasn't suicide as Russian mafia held him over balcony' claim pals

	Quote:
	* ... Falling out a window is not an uncommon cause of death for public figures in Russia. Some of the most suspicious cases include: Alexey Stroganov, a prominent member of Solidarity, a Russian opposition party..., Vadim Godlevsky, a magazine publisher..., A Russian Interior Ministry general, Boris Kolesnikov..., An unnamed criminal suspect of Central Asian origin..., Igor Vakhnenko, a businessman..., Ivan Safronov, an investigative reporter with Kommersant newspaper..., ... “Throwing themselves of the windows of investigative offices and dying is a more common thing in Russia than you can imagine,” Russian investigative journalist Orkhan Jemal said, with a note of sarcasm. “We have had cases in which suspects managed to jump out of completely sealed, barred windows, and even cases in which the suspects suffered multiple lethal injuries from falling out of first floor windows.” ...

marton · #**7340** 01.09.2022, 13:37

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	It definitely seems to be a hazard: Russian ‘spy’ found dead after falling from window in Berlin embassy Three Russian Frontline Health Workers Mysteriously Fell Out Of Hospital Windows [Russian investigative journalist] Who Dies in Russia from Falling out a Window * When A Russian Lawyer Falls Out Of A Window, 'I Don't Think It's An Accident' Scot Young death 'wasn't suicide as Russian mafia held him over balcony' claim pals

Looks like there is a big business opportunity to sell window bars.

Probably would be blocked by the goverment.