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Yep, anything that 'does not stand with Ukraine' is blatant trolling.

Dont take but give me a break.

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now go ahead and put me on the ban list.
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People defect when they are forbidden to leave the country, not when they are refused entry.

'I was denied Schengen visa - I will now defect to Schengen area'...

seriously...
Surely you've heard the news - were now living through the 2nd Cold War ? where the oppressed people of Russia have no freedom of association, no freedom of the press with the only TV and other media being firmly under the control of Putin in the Kremlin. With all opposition being discredited on 'trumped up charges' it's a one party state again ( Putins party ) it might not be a 'holier than thou' ( power to the people but it only goes to the priveledged apparatchiks ! ) ideological party like the Communist party but it's still a repressive ogre of a regime that only favours & rewards 'it's true believers'
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

And Putin won't be attending Gorby's funeral:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62756196

No doubt because Putin has contempt for Gorby's role in the fall of the USSR. But what goes around comes around, and I would say even less people will attend his funeral when that day comes.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

History is repeating itself on Moldova...Russians want to bring democracy, media freedom and human rights to Moldovan population.

Russian foreign minister press conf 31.08.2022

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Question: Moldova continues harassing representatives of its political opposition. On August 29 this week, the Chisinau Chamber of Appeals upheld a court decision on the house arrest of former President of Moldova Igor Dodon until September 21. Last week, the same court rejected a plea to release Marina Tauber, vice-chair of the opposition Shor Party, from detention. On August 18 of this year, a Moldovan task force conducted exercises in the capital of the Autonomous Territorial Unit of Gagauzia. Local commentators portrayed this as an act of intimidation by Chisinau, which demonstrated its resolve to crack down on manifestations of protest. What do you think about the mounting authoritarian actions of the Moldovan authorities that declare their commitment to European and democratic values?

Maria Zakharova: We are closely following the domestic developments in Moldova, including the procedural actions against the opposition leaders you mentioned. There is no doubt that this is the internal affair of the republic. However, the law-enforcement bodies of that country are focusing only on the politicians that advocate constructive relations with the Russian Federation. This fact points to the political character of this harassment.

The attempts of the current Moldovan leaders to get rid of their opponents by any means can hardly enhance their prestige. Judging by what we see, the people of Moldova are developing a strong allergy to such unseemly methods of political struggle. This is clear from the numerous protests and rallies in support of the above leaders, which regularly take place in the country.

Unfortunately, instead of listening to their citizens, conducting a broad public dialogue, and jointly searching for solutions, the current Moldovan authorities ostracise those who are against the ongoing processes in the country.

We would like to see a critical assessment of Chisinau’s actions by the related international agencies (including the OSCE and the Council of Europe). Chisinau received EU member candidate status in June of this year, and we would like to know to what extent its methods of clearing the political and media landscapes match the high standards of democracy, media freedom and human rights. I haven’t seen any assessments like this yet, but I’m sure they will appear.
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I have a very good friend here in Zurich who is originally from Chisinau and Odessa (ethnic Moldovans). Historically these two cities had a very large Jewish community. She, her mom and her grandmother are among the most wonderful people I have ever known. When I met her, we often discuss the current events in Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, the Middle East, Israel-Palestine, Iran, Yemen... Like most Moldovans, besides her native Moldovan (a form of Romanian), she is also very fluent in Russian. Chisinau/Kishinev, the capital of Moldova is an open-minded and bilingual Moldovan-Russian speaking city and its downtown is a real gem.

My friend has also been very affected by the conflict in Ukraine and she is very concerned by the current situation in Moldova. There is a high risk that the Russia-Ukraine war spills into Moldova. She still has a few relatives and friends in Transnistria. Fortunately the current President and Prime Minister of Moldova have the situation under control. They are both female, pragmatic and skillful. Unlike their Ukrainian counterparts, they are not antagonizing Russia. Moldova remains the only true neutral country in Europe

Like many people in the former USSR, my friend's family suffered enormously throughout history: the 1903 Pogrom in Kishinev, the Holocaust, the Stalin's forced deportation to Siberia of many Moldovians. In the 90s, many of her relatives emigrated to Israel including her father who has since taken a pro-Russia stance. Her mom on the other hand has been more favorable to Ukraine. Hopefully Moldova will be spared by this horrible war.

I was once in Moldova; what amazed me a lot was the ease with which I was able to communicate in French or Italian. English is also widely spoken. Would you believe me if I say that Moldovan school children speak much better French than school children in Kt. Zürich? Moldova might be considered a poor country when compared to western European countries such as Switzerland, Sweden ... still the Moldovans are very rich culturally and intellectually. The country has a high HDI and the public education is pretty good.




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Russian foreign minister press conf 31.08.2022



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I have a very good friend here in Zurich who is originally from Chisinau and Odessa (ethnic Moldovans). Historically these two cities had a very large Jewish community. She, her mom and her grandmother are among the most wonderful people I have ever known. When I met her, we often discuss the current events in Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, the Middle East, Israel-Palestine, Iran, Yemen... Like most Moldovans, besides her native Moldovan (a form of Romanian), she is also very fluent in Russian. Chisinau/Kishinev, the capital of Moldova is an open-minded and bilingual Moldovan-Russian speaking city and its downtown is a real gem.
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"Moldovan" is not a form of Romanian, it is Romanian. "Moldovan language" is an invention of USSR. If you want to be historically or linguistically correct. You are right though when you say they're run by two educated state women and despite Russia's ridiculous provocations and lies they're going to ignore this shit. As long as possible.
That doesn't mean people are not worried or they all have the same opinions about the war, EU, Russia, etc. etc. etc. It is normal, considering Moldova is a country where Russian propaganda has been functioning for decades and decades and which also has a relatively large Russian minority. So it will be a provocation for Maia to keep everyone united and more interested in Europe, rather than in Russia or in an unrealistic "independence" (with Russia suffocating them and imposing their own people, as they did for 20 years). And I see their president is trying really hard and is doing a good job so far. I doubt they have everything under control though. That's...very optimistic.

I really hope things won't escalate over there and they'll be "allowed" to choose their path (I mean they have already chosen E.U.) or at least to live in peace. They're really good people. (on second thoughts, so is everyone else, isn't it. Nobody wants a war except Russia.)

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It definitely seems to be a hazard:

Russian ‘spy’ found dead after falling from window in Berlin embassy

Three Russian Frontline Health Workers Mysteriously Fell Out Of Hospital Windows

[Russian investigative journalist] Who Dies in Russia from Falling out a Window *

When A Russian Lawyer Falls Out Of A Window, 'I Don't Think It's An Accident'

Scot Young death 'wasn't suicide as Russian mafia held him over balcony' claim pals
H'm makes you wonder whether this was the final fate of british spy Sidney Reilly, the famous Ace of Spies back in 1925 where it's claimed he was executed in some Russian forest but others say this was not so and maybe he held out from the constant interrogation at the Lubyanka in Moscow
and met he's end falling or being pushed out of a window, who knows ?

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Surely you've heard the news - were now living through the 2nd Cold War ? where the oppressed people of Russia have no freedom of association, no freedom of the press with the only TV and other media being firmly under the control of Putin in the Kremlin. With all opposition being discredited on 'trumped up charges' it's a one party state again ( Putins party ) it might not be a 'holier than thou' ( power to the people but it only goes to the priveledged apparatchiks ! ) ideological party like the Communist party but it's still a repressive ogre of a regime that only favours & rewards 'it's true believers'
And it kills or deports the rest of the "unfaithful" to Siberia or who knows where else.... Like in "good old times".

I think there are a lot of people over there who want to escape this madness. And the Iron Curtain that will follow...because it will definitely follow and people know it.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Looks like the nuclear saber is being rattled again. Putin has again threatened the US with a nuclear escalation if they continue to "flood" Ukraine with weapons. Especially the long range stuff.
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Looks like the nuclear saber is being rattled again. Putin has again threatened the US with a nuclear escalation if they continue to "flood" Ukraine with weapons. Especially the long range stuff.
Putin has made this threat too many times to be credible, anyway his generals will never obey such an order.
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I have a very good friend here in Zurich who is originally from Chisinau and Odessa (ethnic Moldovans). Historically these two cities had a very large Jewish community. She, her mom and her grandmother are among the most wonderful people I have ever known. When I met her, we often discuss the current events in Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, the Middle East, Israel-Palestine, Iran, Yemen... Like most Moldovans, besides her native Moldovan (a form of Romanian), she is also very fluent in Russian. Chisinau/Kishinev, the capital of Moldova is an open-minded and bilingual Moldovan-Russian speaking city and its downtown is a real gem.

My friend has also been very affected by the conflict in Ukraine and she is very concerned by the current situation in Moldova. There is a high risk that the Russia-Ukraine war spills into Moldova. She still has a few relatives and friends in Transnistria. Fortunately the current President and Prime Minister of Moldova have the situation under control. They are both female, pragmatic and skillful. Unlike their Ukrainian counterparts, they are not antagonizing Russia. Moldova remains the only true neutral country in Europe

Like many people in the former USSR, my friend's family suffered enormously throughout history: the 1903 Pogrom in Kishinev, the Holocaust, the Stalin's forced deportation to Siberia of many Moldovians. In the 90s, many of her relatives emigrated to Israel including her father who has since taken a pro-Russia stance. Her mom on the other hand has been more favorable to Ukraine. Hopefully Moldova will be spared by this horrible war.

I was once in Moldova; what amazed me a lot was the ease with which I was able to communicate in French or Italian. English is also widely spoken. Would you believe me if I say that Moldovan school children speak much better French than school children in Kt. Zürich? Moldova might be considered a poor country when compared to western European countries such as Switzerland, Sweden ... still the Moldovans are very rich culturally and intellectually. The country has a high HDI and the public education is pretty good.
Please can you explain "Unlike their Ukrainian counterparts, they are not antagonizing Russia" so how is Ukraine doing this?

Moldovan President Maia Sandu signed a formal application for her country to join the European Union on Thursday, March 3rd, 2022.

Moldova joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council in 1992.
Moldova joined the NATO Partnership for Peace (PfP) programme in 1994.
A civilian NATO Liaison Office in Chisinau was established in December 2017.
Moldova has contributed troops to the NATO Kosovo Force (KFOR) since March 2014.
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Putin has made this threat too many times to be credible, anyway his generals will never obey such an order.
They don't seem to have a problem invading Ukraine, displacing millions, killing civilians and committing war crimes, so why would they hesitate over an order to let the nukes fly (assuming that Putin wouldn't himself push the button)? In footage of Putin, including from years ago, Shoigu often seems to be at his elbow, like a literal right-hand man.
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They don't seem to have a problem invading Ukraine, displacing millions, killing civilians and committing war crimes, so why would they hesitate over an order to let the nukes fly (assuming that Putin wouldn't himself push the button)? In footage of Putin, including from years ago, Shoigu often seems to be at his elbow, like a literal right-hand man.
The generals know if they launch nukes they will get the same back in their laps.

This may well be true;
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The nuclear suitcases that receive early warning information and accompany the President, Defense Minister, and Chief of the General Staff, were falling into disrepair.
Periodically the central command system would go into a "loss of regime" mode, which is a neutral position where it could not send out commands.
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Blatant trolling. Take a break.
How is this trolling? Just my speculative opinion. Most people in this thread are doing the same based on their own opinions and or bias.
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They don't seem to have a problem invading Ukraine, displacing millions, killing civilians and committing war crimes, so why would they hesitate over an order to let the nukes fly (assuming that Putin wouldn't himself push the button)? In footage of Putin, including from years ago, Shoigu often seems to be at his elbow, like a literal right-hand man.
Let's hope there are people around Putin who love their lives and their beloved ones enough to realise that letting the nukes fly is a thing with boomerang effect. There are crazy people and crazy times in Ru but....

What worries more is the kind of nationalism they seem to cultivate in younger generations and that surpasses even the nationalism during the communist times. During communism, well, of course only in the last two or three decades, everyone in the soviet/communist space was talking about peace and brotherhood between nations and peoples....rhetorics all gone now. Putin talking to school kids, youth and young women just gives me the creeps. I bet not only to me, I am sure there are a lot of Russians who feel the same.

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russian propaganda is spreading the news that the Ukraine counteroffensive is a disaster.

At the same time, they list the places they recently attacked, many are a long way behind the Russian frontline in Kherson Oblast. So are they bombing their own troops or are the Ukrainians well inside Russian-occupied territory?
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Let's hope there are people around Putin who love their lives and their beloved ones enough to realise that letting the nukes fly is a thing with boomerang effect. There are crazy people and crazy times in Ru but....

What worries more is the kind of nationalism they seem to cultivate in younger generations and that surpasses even the nationalism during the communist times. During communism, well, of course only in the last two or three decades, everyone in the soviet/communist space was talking about peace and brotherhood between nations and peoples....rhetorics all gone now. Putin talking to school kids, youth and young women just gives me the creeps. I bet not only to me, I am sure there are a lot of Russians who feel the same.
Perhaps, perhaps not. I would bet that the more they have their backs to the wall, the more inviting that big red button will look.
"Gott mit uns" was the motto on German belt buckles in WW2, and they believed in it. Now you have a nationalistic and religious Russia and like the Germans they are losing to the sub humans who are fighting with weapons from the hated west. aka. The root of all evil.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Perhaps, perhaps not. I would bet that the more they have their backs to the wall, the more inviting that big red button will look.
"Gott mit uns" was the motto on German belt buckles in WW2, and they believed in it. Now you have a nationalistic and religious Russia and like the Germans they are losing to the sub humans who are fighting with weapons from the hated west. aka. The root of all evil.

What could possibly go wrong?
The Nazis in WW2 mostly had belt buckles that read “Meine Ehre Heisst Treue”,or “My Honor demands loyalty” not "Gott mit uns". The Nazis were suspicious of Christianity because they believed Jesus was a Jew, mostly it was believed the Nazis adhered to neo-paganism.
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The Nazis in WW2 mostly had belt buckles that read “Meine Ehre Heisst Treue”,or “My Honor demands loyalty” not "Gott mit uns". The Nazis were suspicious of Christianity because they believed Jesus was a Jew, mostly it was believed the Nazis adhered to neo-paganism.
That's the SS. The Wehrmacht wore "Gott mit uns".
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Going to Gorbachev's funeral is the only way Russians may now legally manifest their anti-Putin sentiment.
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