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16.09.2022, 09:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The once mighty Russian empire now recruiting prisoners for the army and buying munitions from N. Korea and drones from Iran.
Who wudda thought it?
Lots of Russians complaining in social media about Ukraine publishing photos of the munitions depots they have captured, the complaint is "Why doesn't Russia shell them and destroy them, surely they know where they are?"
Good question. | | | | | Aren't they complaining about Ukraine being helped by the West? What about them being helped by Iran, N.Korea, China etc
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16.09.2022, 10:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I am sure many countries will take advantage of Russia's perceived military weakness.
Ukraine is, of course, the elephant in the room but so long as Russia does not send significant forces to help Armenia then the perception of weakness will be strengthened.
I posted back in March to help in Ukraine "Russian troops are being pulled from local trouble spots which lack of military presence the locals are now taking advantage of, like in Tajikistan, Nagorno-Karabakh, Georgia" and now you can add Azerbaijan and Khazakstan to the list taking advantage. | | | | | I just saw "Tajik and Kyrgyz border guards exchanged fire in three separate incidents on September 14, killing at least two people, both, like Armenia, are members of the Russian-controlled Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).
CSTO is a sort of Russian version of NATO; similar to Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, Article 4 of the Collective Security Treaty (CST) establishes that aggression against one signatory would be perceived as aggression against all.
Like most Russian initiatives it does not seem to be effective, for example, nobody (including Russia) is rushing to help Armenia. Ukraine keeps pushing east out of the Kharkiv Oblast and into the rear of Luhansk Oblast.
Finally a surprisingly reasonable statement from the Wagner Gray Zone about why general mobilisation is a poor idea. | The following 3 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
16.09.2022, 11:11
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Russia/Putin has no reason to agree to peace either, this war doesn't happen on Russian soil. UA would have to invade Russia proper to turn that table, but that might wake up the bear, the US are unlikely to allow that level of risk. So, bottom line, this conflict will continue beyond 2023. | | | | | im pretty sure this is the reason that US refuses to give UA long range missiles.
the west may be willing to fight to the last ukrainian but not willing to risk anyone/anywhere else. sad situation!
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16.09.2022, 11:51
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I just saw "Tajik and Kyrgyz border guards exchanged fire in three separate incidents on September 14, killing at least two people, both, like Armenia, are members of the Russian-controlled Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).
CSTO is a sort of Russian version of NATO; similar to Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, Article 4 of the Collective Security Treaty (CST) establishes that aggression against one signatory would be perceived as aggression against all. | | | | | It seems the only thing that kept the local leaders warlords from fighting the neighbors was a stronger warlord.
Recent developments make look the stronger warlord not that strong, fighting among the smaller ones starts.
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16.09.2022, 11:55
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | It seems the only thing that kept the local leaders warlords from fighting the neighbors was a stronger warlord.
Recent developments make look the stronger warlord not that strong, fighting among the smaller ones starts. | | | | | In a grand scheme of things it is only now that the Soviet Union is falling apart.
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16.09.2022, 12:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | It seems the only thing that kept the local leaders warlords from fighting the neighbors was a stronger warlord. | | | | | It is an under appreciated role of Russia.
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16.09.2022, 12:30
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16.09.2022, 12:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Somebody under-ordered on the takeaway.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Woman whispering in Erdogan's ear "I told you that you should have gone to the queen's funeral"
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16.09.2022, 21:23
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Ukraine is running out of space to hold Russian prisoners of war, some claims are that up to a sixth of the Russian army may have to surrender. | | | | | Zelenskiy said that hundreds of Russian troops had been captured during Ukraine's lightning counteroffensive in northeast Ukraine's Kharkiv region. He said, however, that Russia was holding more Ukrainian soldiers in custody than Ukraine had Russian POWs.
The fate of Ukrainian soldiers held by Russia, and in particular those captured after holding out for months in the Azovstal steelworks in the besieged city of Mariupol, is a highly sensitive issue in Ukraine. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ts-2022-09-16/ | 
16.09.2022, 21:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Woman whispering in Erdogan's ear "I told you that you should have gone to the queen's funeral" | | | | | It's just interesting.
Erdogan´s son in law owns the company that manufactures and sells the drones that shoot Russian troops in Ukraine. They not only sell the weapons, they even donated a few drones to Ukraine and have said they won't sell drones to Russia no matter the price.
Putin and the Azerbaijan guy (don't remember the name) are chilling out and having a good moment. I guess one guy doesn't care about Azerbaijan troops shooting Armenians,and the other guy forgot about the promises about Russia defending Armenia.
Also, the event is named Shanghai Cooperation Organization. So, where are the guys from China?
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16.09.2022, 21:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | [I]
The fate of Ukrainian soldiers held by Russia, and in particular those captured after holding out for months in the Azovstal steelworks in the besieged city of Mariupol, is a highly sensitive issue in Ukraine | | | | | No shit, Sherlock. Maybe it has something to do with Olenivka. Or the bodies they find with a hole in the head and their hands tied behind their backs.
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16.09.2022, 21:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Somebody under-ordered on the takeaway. | | | | | ..and over-ordered the number of dictators... 
"So will have one salad for two dictators, OK? "
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16.09.2022, 22:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | You also falsesly claimed that the troops helping in .. was it Kazakhstan .. were there to stay. | | | | | I failed to forecast China would push the Russians out of Kazakhstan, sorry,
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16.09.2022, 22:50
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Leonid Ivanovich Pasechnik is the leader of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic.
The following is based on a Telegram post from Igor Girkin who is strong on irony and who played a major role in the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, and later the war in Donbas.
"Pasechnik stressed in a speech today that the explosion in the building of the Prosecutor General's Office of the LPR that killed the Prosecutor General and deputy showed that the Kyiv regime had crossed all the limits of what was permitted."
So having killed thousands of civilians (including many women and children) - "did not cross the limits of what is permitted" ".
This means that killing people below the rank of the Prosecutor General was allowed and it could be done further, keeping "within the limits."
(The question remained - "who set this framework?").
I also hope that the rank of the deceased will force someone high-ranking in the Russian Federation to commit an act that respected Kyiv partners are so afraid of - to express concern ... maybe even deep ...
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17.09.2022, 05:55
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So having killed thousands of civilians (including many women and children) - "did not cross the limits of what is permitted" | | | | | Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...ger-civilians/ | This user groans at vushka for this post: | | 
17.09.2022, 08:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: |  | | | IZIUM, UKRAINE - Investigators searching through a mass burial site in Ukraine have found evidence that some of the dead were tortured, including bodies with broken limbs and ropes around their necks, Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy said Friday.
The site near Izium, recently recaptured from Russian forces, appears to be one of the largest discovered in Ukraine.
Zelenskyy spoke in a video he rushed out just hours after the exhumations began, apparently to underscore the gravity of the discovery. He said more than 440 graves have been found at the site but that the number of victims isn't yet known. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | "The harsh reality indicates that the number of dead in Izium may be many times higher than the Bucha tragedy," Oleg Kotenko, an official with the Ukrainian ministry tasked with reintegrating occupied territories, said on Telegram.
Bucha is a Kyiv suburb where authorities have said 458 bodies were found after a 33-day Russian occupation. Authorities say they have uncovered the bodies of more than 1,300 people elsewhere, many in mass graves in the Kyiv-area forest.
Zelenskyy, who visited the Izium area Wednesday, said the discoveries showed again the need for world leaders to declare Russia a state sponsor of terrorism.
Meanwhile, in his first public comments on Ukraine's recent battlefield gains, Russian President Vladimir Putin vowed to press on with the war and warned that Moscow could ramp up its strikes on the country's vital infrastructure if Ukrainian forces target facilities in Russia. | | | | | https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/atrocit...says-1.6071012 | 
17.09.2022, 09:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Meantime in Iran, the most vocal supporter of Russia.... https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/iran-wo...tests/47907546
This is the new world order these ridiculous countries want to bring about. God knows what's happening in China, N.Korea and the likes. But hey, the new world order is great! Except most sane people will want to emigrate to this despised, "snowflake" Europe...
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17.09.2022, 19:38
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Let's hope there are people around Putin who love their lives and their beloved ones enough to realise that letting the nukes fly is a thing with boomerang effect. There are crazy people and crazy times in Ru but....
What worries more is the kind of nationalism they seem to cultivate in younger generations and that surpasses even the nationalism during the communist times. During communism, well, of course only in the last two or three decades, everyone in the soviet/communist space was talking about peace and brotherhood between nations and peoples....rhetorics all gone now. Putin talking to school kids, youth and young women just gives me the creeps. I bet not only to me, I am sure there are a lot of Russians who feel the same. | | | | | you hope Russians love their children, too? | Quote: | |  | | | https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62817566
Putin realises that this coming european Winter will be critical to making or breaking the resolve EU countries in supporting sanctions.
Putin calls the price caps and sanctions "economic" war. I think of it more as a "special financial operation." | | | | | yep, and gas limitation is the special gas operation. | Quote: | |  | | | Which will give the USA/NATO an opportunity to wipe Moscow off the face of the earth. Not bad for Ukraine. I believe before anything like that will happen Putin will be overthrown as his riot Police who he forced to be frontline soldiers have been virtually wiped out. There is no one in Moscow to damp down any protesters anymore. | | | | | not sure it is Moscow that will be wiped off... cant say that for some posters here.
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17.09.2022, 20:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | |
not sure it is Moscow that will be wiped off... cant say that for some posters here.
| | | | | You mean yourself? You wanted out of EF and are back again?
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