where do u hope it will crush?


so now it is a problem when Russians are out? make up your mind, you want them or not?

And why do you see giant Swiss flags in every Swiss village, let alone major cities?



exactly!

Probably, but only theirs.

War in Ukraine has left nearly 1,000 children killed or injured (that was in August)

https://www.unicef.org/press-release...led-or-injured

If anyone from Russia's vocal supporters on Ef can explain in which parallel universe was this ever necessary......and don't start with but in Yemen is worse (you know who you are) and other whataboutisms and how much you hate Ukrainians who "made this happen" and other cretinisms.


Oh yeah, and you mods tolerate it..I mean you tolerate this!

Given the kidnapping of Ukrainian children and putting them "up for adoption" (an old ploy from the Soviet era - confiscating children of problematic people and putting them in hell-hole orphanages), it seems the Russians want to love everyone's children.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine...ping-children/

i can't speak for anyone else but i have no problem with ukrainians. i feel sorry for them, especially the ones who still don't realise they are effectively fighting a proxy war for the west.

and yes, when children become victims its always horrible. unfortunately this is probably compounded by the fact that the ukrainian military were putting their own citizens at risk by setting up positions close to residential areas, schools and hospitals.

Why is it a proxy war? Russia wanted to invade NATO country, but accidentally invaded Ukraine?

That sounds like it’s straight out of the Bumper Book of Putin’s Propaganda. “Tell them (without any evidence) that the UA military is setting up next to homes, schools and hospitals and we can shell them with impunity.”

amnesty international too
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...ger-civilians/

(maybe try sticking to topics you have a clue about sweety)

You are a revolting troll who relishes other people's pain.

Sting says Hello.

Unlike Americans who love children all over the world (nb: well, some of them surely do)?

Watch: Madeleine Albright Saying Iraqi Kids' Deaths 'Worth It' Resurfaces

https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madel...rfaces-1691193

Cant deny the fact that the biggest number of Ukrainian refugees have gone - guess to where, not to Poland, not to Switzerland, but... Russia...

speaks for itself.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publica...to-bring-peace

On March 24, 1999, NATO attacked Serbia and bombed it for two and half months. Around two thousand civilians were killed - a figure most often quoted locally and probably realistic. ...

The material damages are between thirty and fifty billion dollars. As a result, Serbia, which had been poor, became even poorer, unemployment increased and wages decreased.

Milosevic's regime claimed that NATO killed civilians intentionally. For its part, NATO defended itself by stating that these were "collateral damages." The truth was somewhere in the middle...

... - due to Western public opinion, NATO planners had to show concern that there be no large-scale civilian casualties, but they did not make a major effort to decrease civilian casualties as much as possible. The pilots were, for example, allowed to drop bombs, both "smart' and "dumb," from great heights on targets which were not clearly visible.

Inflicting "moderate" suffering on the civilian population suited NATO planners - the suffering would be used to break the population's will to resist and force it to rise up against Milosevic. This is also the reason behind the selection of targets without any military significance: factories producing cigarettes, cars, vacuum cleaners, artificial fertilizers, or state and military buildings which are primarily administrative and representative buildings, rather than command centers. Without any justification or rationale, NATO bombs also destroyed bridges in Novi Sad, the capital of Vojvodina, and an important cultural center often referred to as the "Serbian Athens."

Either you posted on the wrong thread or you just brought in an early entry for “Whataboutary of the day”.

Might it have anything to do with the facts that the Russian invaders only allowed people in the territories they occupied to go to Russia and not other parts of Ukraine? Or the fact that Russia has detained hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Ukrainians and forcibly deported them to camps in Russia? I wonder.. And those are the 'lucky' ones who weren't just summarily executed for being too 'pro-Ukrainian'

im just a realist. you're the guy that's been celebrating violence and pain - as long as its against russian people.

keep wondering.

If by "violence" you mean Ukraine's self-defense, and by "Russian people" you mean the murderous, rapist and looting thugs that make up the Russian army - yes!

You missed this quote from Amnesty International
Maybe you should take your own advice about "sticking to topics you have a clue about" daddy.

Likely this is a genuine document but probably not so simple to calculate the number of deaths.

Corruption is endemic in Russia so maybe the number of payments was exaggerated to get more money to steal.

On the other hand, many soldier's families are complaining about the excuses given for not being paid so maybe there were more deaths than the payments listed.

Anyway 48K+ is probably as good a number as any.

Edit: Presumably 48K+ is only the number of official Russian dead soldiers. Whether that number includes LHR, DPR battalions, Chechens, mercenaries(Wagner) and Russian volunteers is a good question.

All,

I read the last few pages of posts of this thread. Please try to stay within the topic (the unjust war in Ukraine), avoid personal attacks. Do not troll. Provide a valid source.

IMHO, the following posters are the most objective and always worth reading with regards of what's happening in Ukraine (Factual grade 80% and more):

Slammer, Urs Max, NotAllThere, Phil_MCR, roegner, k_and_e, Axa.


The following posters are partially objective (Factual grade 60 - 80%):

kiwiguy08, komsomolez, TonyClifton.

The rest of you shall stop beating around the bush: your posts are often repetitive, off topics, with many contradictions, containing dubious links and a tendency to engage in more opinionated writing. Such posts are only eating bandwidth and increase cloud clutter and waste.


NB: Only posters who posted more than 10 posts are taken into accounts.


Have a wonderful evening and God Bless! And please pray for Ukraine!

LOL. And who the f--- are you?