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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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The way China and Turkey are increasing their influence in ex-USSR countries in detriment of Putin's influence means Putin already lost.

Ukraine is just the region where shots are fired and bombs are being dropped. However, the fight for power is happening everywhere.
The world has become a very weird place. Some countries focus on building up a better education system, health care system, reducing the gaps between poor and rich, on environment, research etc and others want land.. As in "Lebensraum". More international influence and dominance. To do what, exactly? Cui prodest? Definitely not to their people. Apart from a vain sense of pride, of course...
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Old 30.09.2022, 13:46
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The world has become a very weird place. Some countries focus on building up a better education system, health care system, reducing the gaps between poor and rich, on environment, research etc and others want land.. As in "Lebensraum". More international influence and dominance. To do what, exactly? Cui prodest? Definitely not to their people. Apart from a vain sense of pride, of course...
Who benefits? Objective #1 for autocrats is to stay in power as long as possible. If they perceive the elite in their respective countries yearn for more influence or lebensraum. They'll just go for it.

I just remembered the US-Spain war over Cuba. US offered to buy Cuba. Spain's elite still dreamed about an Empire and selling Cuba would have ended in a revolution. King was "forced" to declare a war against US he knew he was going to lose. War was lost, Cuba was lost, but monarchy had another ~30 year run on Spain.

Not that hard to find the similarities in year 2022. Putin letting Ukraine approach the EU was not an option, people supporting him would have revolted because they still believe in lebensraum.
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Old 30.09.2022, 15:23
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

I am reading the news of Putin annexing these areas and my heart is sinking. With how much the war in Ukraine has weakened his army and depleted his resources he would almost have no choice but to resort to weapons of mass destructions if he was challenged by Western forces. Alone he would have absolutely no hope in a conventional conflict unless China etc put their military might behind him.

I really hope Ukraine manage to somehow prevail because, even in a world of grey areas, if this isn't one of the most black and white examples of freedom vs tyranny.
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Who benefits? Objective #1 for autocrats is to stay in power as long as possible. If they perceive the elite in their respective countries yearn for more influence or lebensraum. They'll just go for it.

I just remembered the US-Spain war over Cuba. US offered to buy Cuba. Spain's elite still dreamed about an Empire and selling Cuba would have ended in a revolution. King was "forced" to declare a war against US he knew he was going to lose. War was lost, Cuba was lost, but monarchy had another ~30 year run on Spain.

Not that hard to find the similarities in year 2022. Putin letting Ukraine approach the EU was not an option, people supporting him would have revolted because they still believe in lebensraum.
Now that everyone is leaving they can have all the living space they ever may of wanted
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Old 30.09.2022, 16:43
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With the recent announcements, this means the refugee staying in my spare room is questionably now Russian.
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Old 30.09.2022, 17:38
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With the recent announcements, this means the refugee staying in my spare room is questionably now Russian.


Place of origin got annexed by Russia today?
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Old 30.09.2022, 19:30
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On the Nordstream events, it is difficult to see any logic for any rational actor here - if you look at risks and rewards. Which is a very bad, dangerous sign. Like we needed more of those.
Yes it did make me think whether it could have been a non-state actor.
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Old 30.09.2022, 20:56
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

So, which pipeline will be the next one? Putin has still some aces up his sleeve and unfortunately this explanation of the Nord Stream bombings as warming shots is not so implausible.
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Old 30.09.2022, 22:16
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

There’s a couple…

Infrastructure projects just got uninsurable:-(

The rule of law has ended.
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Old 01.10.2022, 09:48
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I am reading the news of Putin annexing these areas and my heart is sinking. With how much the war in Ukraine has weakened his army and depleted his resources he would almost have no choice but to resort to weapons of mass destructions if he was challenged by Western forces. Alone he would have absolutely no hope in a conventional conflict unless China etc put their military might behind him.

I really hope Ukraine manage to somehow prevail because, even in a world of grey areas, if this isn't one of the most black and white examples of freedom vs tyranny.
Usual Russian bureaucratic mess, one wonders if Putin is really sick.

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the illegal Russian annexation of four Ukrainian territories on September 30 without clearly defining the borders of those claimed territories nor the Russian federal district into which the annexed territories will be incorporated.

I assume no district governor wants to take over this crap pile.

Edit: Who posted Putin and his team do not get irony? Putin said Russia is opposing western dominance because Russia wants a multipolar world where nations can determine their future and have right to self determination

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Old 01.10.2022, 13:32
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Old 01.10.2022, 16:45
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Nord Stream Sabotage from Putin's perspective.
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Ukraine flag being raised at the western entrance to Lyman.
Lyman withdrew from the Russian Federation.
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Old 01.10.2022, 17:20
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Lyman withdrew from the Russian Federation.
With the continued losses the Russians are suffering in Ukraine and the psychotic show they pulled off in Moscow, Putin must be thinking about a further military escalation. Shooting S-300 (anti-air) missiles at Ukrainian cities to kill a few dozen civilians cannot be it. Kadyrow - and I have no idea what he really is in the Putin system - called for martial law and use of nuclear weapons today. That is the same Kadyrow who allegedly is simply not implementing the mobilization requirements is Chechnya.
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Old 01.10.2022, 17:30
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Seems the Russians are careless with cigarettes again, black smoke over Belbek airbase, also home to Sevastopol International Airport, Crimea.

Adds a certain "je ne sais quoi" (new flavour? ) to the beach holiday.

An aircraft ran off a landing strip at the Belbek airfield in Sevastopol and caught fire on Saturday, Crimean Governor Mikhail Razvozhaev wrote on his Telegram channel.

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Edit: seems this "crashed aircraft" was carrying a hell of a lot of ammunition which is now exploding; see the video.

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So, which pipeline will be the next one? Putin has still some aces up his sleeve and unfortunately this explanation of the Nord Stream bombings as warming shots is not so implausible.
Norway, which has become Europe’s biggest supplier of natural gas, said yesterday it had accepted military contributions from France, Germany and Britain to secure its oil and gas sector
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Lyman withdrew from the Russian Federation.
Russian MOD confirms this, in Russian.
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Old 01.10.2022, 18:18
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Seems the Russians are careless with cigarettes again, black smoke over Belbek airbase, also home to Sevastopol International Airport, Crimea.

Adds a certain "je ne sais quoi" (new flavour? ) to the beach holiday.
These images are surrealist.
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So, which pipeline will be the next one? Putin has still some aces up his sleeve and unfortunately this explanation of the Nord Stream bombings as warming shots is not so implausible.
It is not only in Norway that the nervousness is great. The (now largest gas supplier to the EU) has to permanently monitor up to 9000 kilometers of pipeline from the air and underwater.

I’m more worried about the vulnerability the attack shows on Europe. Not only gas pipelines, but also other key infrastructures such as power and communication cables or nuclear power plants are potentially at risk.

Much of the global Internet traffic depends on undersea cables laid between continents. An attack on these links could trigger a crisis that affects all aspects of public life. Here lies an even greater potential for blackmail than Nord Stream ever presented.

Payments, air and rail links, or health care could be paralysed
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Old 01.10.2022, 19:29
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It is not only in Norway that the nervousness is great. The (now largest gas supplier to the EU) has to permanently monitor up to 9000 kilometers of pipeline from the air and underwater.

I’m more worried about the vulnerability the attack shows on Europe. Not only gas pipelines, but also other key infrastructures such as power and communication cables or nuclear power plants are potentially at risk.

Much of the global Internet traffic depends on undersea cables laid between continents. An attack on these links could trigger a crisis that affects all aspects of public life. Here lies an even greater potential for blackmail than Nord Stream ever presented.

Payments, air and rail links, or health care could be paralysed

A Russian submarine attack on Britain's vital undersea internet network and communications cables was core to the plot in this episode of Spooks ( This is MI5 not 9 to 5 )


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