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13.10.2022, 10:33
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Remember also that the Polish government HATES both Russia AND Germany. Last month, Poland asked Germany for $1.3 TRILLION in World War II reparations.
| | | | | Germany answered that any reparation claims were settled when Germany joined the EU. Poland can go and pound sand.
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13.10.2022, 10:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Ukraine -> (Moldova?) -> Romania -> Bulgaria -> Turkey or sea ferry -> Georgia -> Abkhazia -> Krasnodar (RU) -> Crimean Bridge
There are several Black Sea ferry lines that connect Bulgaria to Georgia.
IMO, that truck never crossed the Turkish border.
The Armenian mountain roads from the Iranian border (Nordooz) to Georgian border are narrow, extremely dangerous and with frequent foggy weather. It's a lot safer to drive via Azerbaijan. | Quote: | |  | | | the geography of this doesnt make any sense if you look at a map:
Ukraine -> Bulgaria -> Georgia -> Armenia -> Krasnodar (RU) -> Crimean Bridge.
Armenia is landlocked so explosives would have to pass through Turkey or Georgia or Iran or Azerbaijan unless the implication is that the explosives were flown from Armenia to Krasnodar? | | | | | | The following 2 users would like to thank Linnéa UZH for this useful post: | | 
13.10.2022, 10:50
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Or do you think it was someone else that did this? | | | | | I am saying exactly what I wrote: the report is a charade, one of the many that came out of Russia. That they just picked out few random suspects, collect some photos and presented it to the public: those people did it, we found them.
I am not presenting any new (alternative) theory as there are not many facts about the explosions.
I think the Russian government is inherently (culturally) unable to say the truth. On the west we normally go through different levels of PR stories, where the level of truth is related to the possible benefits and probability to get caught, while they just go straight to a fabricated story.
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13.10.2022, 10:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Yes, Serbia can cause some trouble (when their masters will ask them to) but Serbia is a 7 million country and they keep funcking forgetting it.
If Russia wants to share their position and become a bitter country who thinks they are the victims of a "homo-globo" (thanks, nejc) conspirator so be it.
Kiwi, you and vushka will be the only ones left defending both of them. | Quote: | |  | | | your sentence should be "obviously Russia is many levels worse"
the state of Russia is such that no one wants to be too close to them. Not other Slavic countries and not central Asian one. Everyone who can, is moving away.
Putin miserably fail to change Russia into a modern state that could be competitive in international arena and at some points Russians should accept that it is their own failure. Or they will become some miserable state, dreaming of their former glory and making theories how they are victims of some globo-homo conspiracies. Like Serbia.*
*maybe I should write this also in the other thread about Vucic, but frankly, why loosing to much time with people who insist on the path of self-destruction they have chosen for themselves? | | | | | Exactly, why losing so much time with people who insist on the path of self-destruction they have chosen for themselves?
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13.10.2022, 11:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I am saying exactly what I wrote: the report is a charade, one of the many that came out of Russia. That they just picked out few random suspects, collect some photos and presented it to the public: those people did it, we found them.
I am not presenting any new (alternative) theory as there are not many facts about the explosions. | | | | | Indeed, arrests 4 days after the explosion...is as suspicious as the initial explosion.
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13.10.2022, 11:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | You are right. I feel for a sloppy headline and only remembered their sanction position and recent advances to Lavrov.
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13.10.2022, 11:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | But Serbia did see the light.
From your link "Serbia remains the only country in the Western Balkans that has not fully condemned Russia’s aggression in Ukraine."
And as you yourself wrote, "It has always officially criticized the sanctions".
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13.10.2022, 11:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I am saying exactly what I wrote: the report is a charade, one of the many that came out of Russia. That they just picked out few random suspects, collect some photos and presented it to the public: those people did it, we found them.
I am not presenting any new (alternative) theory as there are not many facts about the explosions.
I think the Russian government is inherently (culturally) unable to say the truth. On the west we normally go through different levels of PR stories, where the level of truth is related to the possible benefits and probability to get caught, while they just go straight to a fabricated story. | | | | | On the whole I agree with what you are saying here.
To me it just sounded plausible - a touch more plausible than a couple of butch guys visting the Salisbury cathedral for cultural elation for instance (not that there's anything wrong with that :-)). But I agree there are still many holes in the current story, just as in any other story the Russian authorities come up with...
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13.10.2022, 12:59
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The toothpaste is out of the tube.
Now even media is comfortable enough to publish opinion on Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan going their own way. How Armenia was left alone because Putin has not soldiers on the ground in spite of millions in his head. And, China circling above like a vulture | Quote: |  | | | ‘Russia is becoming weaker, and China stronger’
All eyes may be on the war in Ukraine, but it is far from the only country in Eurasia currently affected by armed conflict. | | | | | https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-russia...ce=swissinfoch | 
13.10.2022, 13:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | But Serbia did see the light.
From your link "Serbia remains the only country in the Western Balkans that has not fully condemned Russia’s aggression in Ukraine."
And as you yourself wrote, "It has always officially criticized the sanctions". | | | | | the statement that was made was Serbia "sees the light" in an October 2022 vote. I pointed out that Serbia has been voting in the same way for at least 7 months. I had expected more from someone who was self proclaiming himself to be devouring content on this war.
Furthermore, seeing the light in a meaningless UN vote but no sanctions and a booming air traffic between Moscow and Belgrade means the west is being played like a gusle...lol
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13.10.2022, 14:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | the statement that was made was Serbia "sees the light" in an October 2022 vote. I pointed out that Serbia has been voting in the same way for at least 7 months. I had expected more from someone who was self proclaiming himself to be devouring content on this war.
Furthermore, seeing the light in a meaningless UN vote but no sanctions and a booming air traffic between Moscow and Belgrade means the west is being played like a gusle...lol | | | | | You see, that is the difference. I did not expect more from someone whose avatar screams "pride to be a troll".
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13.10.2022, 15:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Putin’s war on Ukraine part of crusade against liberal democracy, says Scholz https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cy-says-scholz “A crusade against liberal democracy, a crusade against the rules-based international order, a crusade against freedom and progress, a crusade against our way of life” | 
13.10.2022, 15:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | You see, that is the difference. I did not expect more from someone whose avatar screams "pride to be a troll". | | | | | proud* to be a troll
no, I am saying I find the whole situation ridiculous. (all sides) If you feel triggered because I put a meme picture up instead of virtue signaling with some pro ukraine slogan in my signature then that is really a komso problem, not mine
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13.10.2022, 16:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | proud* to be a troll
no, I am saying I find the whole situation ridiculous. (all sides) If you feel triggered because I put a meme picture up instead of virtue signaling with some pro ukraine slogan in my signature then that is really a komso problem, not mine | | | | | Sir, this is not facebook. I guess the only other person on EF with Ukraine flag is actually from Ukraine. Irony depends on context and there's simply no context for the joke around here | 
13.10.2022, 16:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | proud* to be a troll
no, I am saying I find the whole situation ridiculous. (all sides) If you feel triggered because I put a meme picture up instead of virtue signaling with some pro ukraine slogan in my signature then that is really a komso problem, not mine | | | | | Why did you put that picture then, what's your point with that? But don't prevaricate with the answer please, can you grant us honesty?
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13.10.2022, 17:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Furthermore, seeing the light in a meaningless UN vote but no sanctions and a booming air traffic between Moscow and Belgrade means the west is being played like a gusle...lol | | | | | You really do not have a clue about Serbia and president Vucic situation. He is typical populist politician whose power is based on rallying nationalistic pride in people to forget that they are living in a failed state.
This nationalism is riding on the hate of NATO and irrational love of Russia. Sadly Serbians never managed to accept their part of responsibility for the wars in the Yugoslavia.*
On the other side, Serbia is very much dependant on EU. In everything. EU can end Vucic rule in a month, with some easy sanctions, like closing EU market for Serbian workers or whatever.
So what is Vucic doing, is trying to keep his head above the water, which is harder and harder each week. One must be really ignorant to call this "playing the gusle"
*as someone who had seen the rise of nationalism in Yugoslavia I see so many parallels between Serbia in 90's and today Russia, that it just make me sick of anxiety. Because as I observed, once such a movement really gets to start, it goes on and on, until it burns all its internal energy (and that means a lot of people). Serbia, after each defeat, just found a new, smaller enemy, and brutalized it until the next defeat. And so on, till the infamous NATO's bombing.
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13.10.2022, 17:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Why did you put that picture then, what's your point with that? But don't prevaricate with the answer please, can you grant us honesty? | | | | | I won't bother to explain to you. Just the way you formulate the question/statement it is obvious that any answer except "I am a paid agent of the Kremlin or the FSB" will not be acceptable to you | 
13.10.2022, 17:26
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13.10.2022, 17:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sir, this is not facebook. I guess the only other person on EF with Ukraine flag is actually from Ukraine. Irony depends on context and there's simply no context for the joke around here  | | | | | I've seen people with Ukraine related signatures who are most certainly not Ukranian.
And a yellow and blue flag is not exclusive to Ukraine but to the late, great Blockbuster video too. (I hope Ukraine meets a better ending)
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13.10.2022, 17:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I won't bother to explain to you. Just the way you formulate the question/statement it is obvious that any answer except "I am a paid agent of the Kremlin or the FSB" will not be acceptable to you | | | | | I'm not sure that's the obvious conclusion. Have to say it does come across a bit attention-seeker. If you were going for the "Ooh, look how edgy I am, please will someone ask me about it" vibe, you nailed it.
Not being judgmental but, as a mum of teens, I've eye-rolled at it the same kind of thing before... | This user would like to thank ShirleyNot for this useful post: | |
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