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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Have just been watching BBC Newsnight, which had an interview about Putin/Ukraine with Sir Alex Younger, head of MI6 from 2014 to 2020. He said that Putin doesn't have a reverse button and is likely to double down, but that people should be careful what they wish for, as if he was ousted he'd most likely be replaced by someone even more extreme and to the right.
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I think there are several motives: there's the moral imperitive to support, the technical benefit of stress-testing the network in a hostile environment, the PR benefit, the financial benefit.

Of course, afterwards, peace is also good for business. Plus, Musk also voiced self-preservation: nuclear escalation would be bad.
Why isn’t there an uproar over Lockheed Martin and Raytheon not giving a discount on or even donating the Javelins and HIMARs to the war effort?

Never mind, that’s not politically convenient
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Why isn’t there an uproar over Lockheed Martin and Raytheon not giving a discount on or even donating the Javelins and HIMARs to the war effort?

Never mind, that’s not politically convenient
Why should they instead of the others? They have to feed their workers, pay their suppliers and earn profit for their investors. They profit margin is in the range of 5-10%. This money (doesn't) stink the same as any other profits, for example Apple's margin is about 30%.
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Why should they instead of the others? They have to feed their workers, pay their suppliers and earn profit for their investors. They profit margin is in the range of 5-10%. This money (doesn't) stink the same as any other profits, for example Apple's margin is about 30%.
Exactly, so why should SpaceX continue losing money on Starlink?
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Old 15.10.2022, 22:40
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Why isn’t there an uproar over Lockheed Martin and Raytheon not giving a discount on or even donating the Javelins and HIMARs to the war effort?

Never mind, that’s not politically convenient
Because they never virtue signaled about pretending to donate their products?
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Exactly, so why should SpaceX continue losing money on Starlink?
Because Musk just announced he will continue.

That is the difficulty in defending people like Musk and Trump, you never know when they will u-turn and dump on you.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

why even bother? Elon's twits are like Russians official statements, they don't have any connection with reality.
Ib case of twits, they are not worth the time to read those 280 characters. The second richest world narcissist got his another 5 minutes on twitter and he already moved on. Probably you should too.
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Exactly, so why should SpaceX continue losing money on Starlink?
Perhaps because Musk proposed a "peace agreement" which met with a middle finger from a Ukrainian ambassador, and everybody assumes the Starlink financing become and issue directly thereafter.
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Is this why I have seen so many posts from you about Ukrainian civil casualties? I believe there were 17 in Zaporizhzhia in the last days.
ah here we go again with whataboutism...

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Why isn’t there an uproar over Lockheed Martin and Raytheon not giving a discount on or even donating the Javelins and HIMARs to the war effort?

Never mind, that’s not politically convenient
Maybe the CEOs didn't suggest to UA that they give up their territory?

Or suggest pulling support was related to being told to eff off?

Or they didn't try to lie and take credit for equipment provided to UA which was paid for by others?

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

In other news, apparently 11 mobilzied RU soldiers killed during training due to fighting amongst themselves.
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In other news, apparently 11 mobilzied RU soldiers killed during training due to fighting amongst themselves.
Russia are the new Orks of Middle Earth.
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In other news, apparently 11 mobilzied RU soldiers killed during training due to fighting amongst themselves.
Not exactly fighting among themselves. 2 mobilized people from one of the former soviet republics opened fire and killed 11 soldiers.
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Not exactly fighting among themselves. 2 mobilized people from one of the former soviet republics opened fire and killed 11 soldiers.
you don't call shooting at each other fighting?
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you don't call shooting at each other fighting?
2 shooters killed 11 people and wounded 15, before they were taken out by a sniper. Doesn’t look like a fighting. The rest of the mobilized soldiers probably never seen a gun before and were not able to shoot back, otherwise they would have killed these two guys much earlier.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

here is a thread with photos, it is very explicit!!!!

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1581571512213024770

in multiethnic countries that in practice works as they are not (like Russia) usually the army is one of the most constricting structures. It was like this in Austro-Hungarian empire, in Russian empire and in SSSR , in Yugoslavia and it is in Russia. Ethical minorities doesn't have a happy life in Russia. I mean, already many Russians living in poor regions don't have happy life, but they still look down at Tadjiks, Chuvashs, Chechens, Kazakhs......
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here is a thread with photos, it is very explicit!!!!

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1581571512213024770

in multiethnic countries that in practice works as they are not (like Russia) usually the army is one of the most constricting structures. It was like this in Austro-Hungarian empire, in Russian empire and in SSSR , in Yugoslavia and it is in Russia. Ethical minorities doesn't have a happy life in Russia. I mean, already many Russians living in poor regions don't have happy life, but they still look down at Tadjiks, Chuvashs, Chechens, Kazakhs......
Looks like more than eleven dead to me.

Here is a video of the rail part of the kerch bridge, does not look so good.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Obviously Mr. Lapin didn't attend his D&I training.

“Lieutenant Colonel Lapin said that Allah is a weakling. An hour and a half later they shot him.”

ASTRA journalists were able to talk to a serviceman who claims to have been wounded during a shooting at a firing range in Soloti, Belgorod Region, and saw what happened with his own eyes. At the moment, the military is in a hospital in the city of Valuyki. ASTRA does not publish the name of the soldier, for his safety. IMPORTANT: At the time of publication, we were unable to independently verify the identity of either the narrator or any of the other individuals in the story.

“It all started with the fact that some of our soldiers — a Dagestani, an Azerbaijani and an Adyghe — said that “this is not our war” and tried to write a report that they did not want to serve anymore. Lieutenant Colonel Andrei Lapin, when he learned this through the company commander, gathered everyone and began to say that "this is a holy war." Everything happened in the morning at the parade ground, where the formation takes place, the anthem is sung. A conflict began, they began to push, including several people from my company.

And the Tajiks told Lapin in response that a holy war is when the war of Muslims with infidels. Lapin said that "Allah means a coward if he does not allow you to fight for the country to which you swore an oath." I personally think that this is what hurt the most, the phrase that "Allah is a weakling." The phrase shocked many people - from those who stood on the parade ground there. Because we also have Muslims among the officers - both Bashkirs and Tatars.

After the formation, the Russians and Muslims continued the conflict, after which everyone dispersed and, it seems, calmed down. And after an hour and a half, somewhere in the afternoon, they sent us all together to the shooting range, and three Tajiks who were in contract service, they deployed their machine guns, they had live ammunition, and shot our commander, Lieutenant Colonel Lapin, he died on place. And opened fire indiscriminately. There were both contract soldiers and mobilized at the training ground. The dead, whom only I saw - 29 people. The 30th is Lieutenant Colonel Lapin. This is not counting the two Tajiks who were killed along with them - 32. I don’t know exactly how many wounded, some have already been delivered by helicopter to Belgorod, some are now in Valuyki with me.

Two or three minutes before the shooting started, we Muslims were told to step aside. I remember that the names of the shooters are: Bikzot - he is a senior sergeant, the other is Anushe, and the third is junior sergeant Ami. I don't remember his last name, junior sergeant Ami ran away. And ensign Semyonov killed two of the shooters. Semyonov at that moment was in the room where boxes of cartridges are stored, where they are given to us. He has his own combat pistol, he was not present during the shooting itself, he heard what was happening, went out and shot both Tajiks. He hit Ami in the shoulder, but he managed to escape. He shot the wire, where the fence is, there is not even a fence, but a bent wire, this is the place through which some people went to the city when it was impossible to get through at the checkpoint. There is such an embankment, that is, he, roughly speaking, just stepped over. We were told that he was still on the run, he was not caught.

Specifically, these Tajiks (who opened fire - ed. note) - they were ardent supporters of their faith. They constantly cursed because they were not allowed to pray on time, they were not given a room for prayer, ”said the young man.
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Good about Serbia.
The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) is an intergovernmental military alliance in Eurasia consisting of six post-Soviet states: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Tajikistan. Only Belarus and, of course, Russia from this group supported the annexation, the others abstained.

India and China abstained as expected, better than supporting.
Of course Serbia will always vote 'yes' when it comes to resolutions about territorial integrity.

I hear now Ukraine is going to call for a resolution to respect territorial integrity of Serbia, right?


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You really do not have a clue about Serbia and president Vucic situation. He is typical populist politician whose power is based on rallying nationalistic pride in people to forget that they are living in a failed state.
This nationalism is riding on the hate of NATO and irrational love of Russia. Sadly Serbians never managed to accept their part of responsibility for the wars in the Yugoslavia.*
On the other side, Serbia is very much dependant on EU. In everything. EU can end Vucic rule in a month, with some easy sanctions, like closing EU market for Serbian workers or whatever.
So what is Vucic doing, is trying to keep his head above the water, which is harder and harder each week. One must be really ignorant to call this "playing the gusle"

*as someone who had seen the rise of nationalism in Yugoslavia I see so many parallels between Serbia in 90's and today Russia, that it just make me sick of anxiety. Because as I observed, once such a movement really gets to start, it goes on and on, until it burns all its internal energy (and that means a lot of people). Serbia, after each defeat, just found a new, smaller enemy, and brutalized it until the next defeat. And so on, till the infamous NATO's bombing.
Neither do you (have a clue). You see parallels between Serbia and Russia - but do you see parallels when it comes to territorial integrity of Serbia - who Slovenia, as just one of examples, blatantly violated?

(by the way, in English it is 'in the West' and 'on everything'. Not vice-versa).
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