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greenmount · #**8101** 20.10.2022, 08:53

	Quote:	vushka
	don't worry, as soon as ukraine has served its purpose many governments will be ready to throw them under a bus anyway.

Whereas Russia will be for ever supported by......Iran?

Although I don't think that the recent protests in Iran and the killing of so many people among whom many were children or youth just because someone's hair was "out of order" will consolidate that regime...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63242100

Back to what you've said, I think Ukraine will kick the Russian army out before anyone will throw them under the bus.

And I'll tell you why: they fight to protect their land, whereas the Russians fight to conquer other lands and people. More and more people over there will see how stupid and absurd that is....

vushka · #**8102** 20.10.2022, 11:20

	Quote:	greenmount
	Back to what you've said, I think Ukraine will kick the Russian army out before anyone will throw them under the bus. And I'll tell you why: they fight to protect their land, whereas the Russians fight to conquer other lands and people. More and more people over there will see how stupid and absurd that is....

technically its too late as the land is now russias so therefore they are the ones protecting their land!

kiwiguy08 · #**8103** 20.10.2022, 12:23

	Quote:	marton
	Looks like he is talking himself out of the job.

Never said he would succeed right away as too many republicans are also unfortunately in the pocket of the weapons lobby. But it is important to open the discussion. Since February, too few people and practically no politician has questioned this.

Ato · #**8104** 20.10.2022, 12:28

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	Never said he would succeed right away as too many republicans are also unfortunately in the pocket of the weapons lobby. But it is important to open the discussion. Since February, too few people and practically no politician has questioned this.

Questioning increased production in a time of economic downturn? It's not in their interests to stop money going to their voters, even if it is coming from them as well.

kiwiguy08 · #**8105** 20.10.2022, 13:01

	Quote:	Ato
	Questioning increased production in a time of economic downturn? It's not in their interests to stop money going to their voters, even if it is coming from them as well.

Always the perverse effect of tying jobs to weapons manufacturers

nejc · #**8106** 20.10.2022, 13:43

	Quote:	vushka
	technically its too late as the land is now russias so therefore they are the ones protecting their land!

Self-declarations are not worth much. Especially those from Putin, as we have already seen. Anyway he is mostly addressing the Russian public, who is since long adapted to the "newspeak" coming from a long line of autocratic leaders they have to endure.

slammer · #**8107** 20.10.2022, 14:49

Get the popcorn ready. Seems that a RAF aircraft was pootling around the Black Sea and was intercepted by Russian aircraft, during which one of the Reds „accidentally“ fired a missile.

greenmount · #**8108** 20.10.2022, 14:50

	Quote:	vushka
	technically its too late as the land is now russias so therefore they are the ones protecting their land!

I meant country. Russia is not protecting their country now, in fact everything seems to go downhill...unfortunately a lot of folks over there have lost their ability to think logically.

Ato · #**8109** 20.10.2022, 14:58

	Quote:	slammer
	Get the popcorn ready. Seems that a RAF aircraft was pootling around the Black Sea and was intercepted by Russian aircraft, during which one of the Reds „accidentally“ fired a missile.

I have it in my head that the russians maneuvered a little hard and a missile fell off.

AbFab · #**8110** 20.10.2022, 15:24

	Quote:	slammer
	Get the popcorn ready. Seems that a RAF aircraft was pootling around the Black Sea and was intercepted by Russian aircraft, during which one of the Reds „accidentally“ fired a missile.

Happened on September 29, 2023. By accident!

LtSoftDrink · #**8111** 20.10.2022, 15:37

	Quote:	AbFab
	Happened on September 29, 2023. By accident!

If only we were more capable of preventing future accidents - this whole mess might never have happened

LtSoftDrink · #**8112** 20.10.2022, 15:42

	Quote:	vushka
	technically its too late as the land is now russias so therefore they are the ones protecting their land!

Invade, dominate, okay - annexation might work
Invade, lose ground, “annexation” is ridiculous

Your and the “Russian POV” of this absolutely unnecessary war would be laughable if it weren’t for all the loss of life and destruction.

Excad · #**8113** 21.10.2022, 11:33

https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/9766...ovember-report

So they try to organize the new government while the current one is still holding up fairly strong. We have a saying in Poland "Don't divide the skin on a bear that is still alive" and so on...

But maybe it is how it usually functions during revolutions, I'm holding my thumbs.

As a Pole, somehow I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable that it happens in Poland. It's like with a nuclear plant - you know it needs to stand somewhere, but you prefer it not too close to your home.

greenmount · #**8114** 21.10.2022, 11:54

	Quote:	LtSoftDrink
	Your and the “Russian POV” of this absolutely unnecessary war would be laughable if it weren’t for all the loss of life and destruction.

Thank you for saying yet again what many of us here have been saying all along.

I am glad I don't see any more duplicitous posts on this issue.

	Quote:	Excad
	https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/9766...ovember-report So they try to organize the new government while the current one is still holding up fairly strong. We have a saying in Poland "Don't divide the skin on a bear that is still alive" and so on... But maybe it is how it usually functions during revolutions, I'm holding my thumbs. As a Pole, somehow I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable that it happens in Poland. It's like with a nuclear plant - you know it needs to stand somewhere, but you prefer it not too close to your home.

Hehe, I'm more familiar with this version "do not sell the skin of the bear in the forest"... I hope Poland won't become a target, well, no more than it actually is.

In other news, this is what the Baltic republics try to get through EU's foreign affairs agenda. (and rightly so)

https://news.err.ee/1608754012/balti...ian-war-crimes

	Quote:
	The Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian foreign ministers issued a joint statement ahead of Monday's EU Foreign Affairs Council, calling for the establishment of a special tribunal to punish Russia's crimes of aggression against Ukraine. ............................ The statement reads: "The rules-based international order, which we all strive to defend, cannot survive if there is impunity for the deeds that violate it most blatantly – genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crime of aggression/.../ As Russia's brutal assault against Ukraine continues, the EU must act to ensure that seeking justice and accountability for Russia's horrific crimes in Ukraine is at the center of our policy."

Personally, I am not very confident that this will happen any time soon...even though a "reparation" is so much needed.

vushka · #**8115** 22.10.2022, 12:45

	Quote:	LtSoftDrink
	Invade, dominate, okay - annexation might work Invade, lose ground, “annexation” is ridiculous

losing a few battles ≠ losing the war. the end result is all that really matters.

LtSoftDrink · #**8116** 22.10.2022, 12:57

	Quote:	vushka
	losing a few battles ≠ losing the war. the end result is all that really matters.

That’s the spirit! And don’t forget “special military operation” not a war. Or is it really okay to call it what it is now?

marton · #**8117** 22.10.2022, 14:14

	Quote:	vushka
	losing a few battles ≠ losing the war. the end result is all that really matters.

As Ukraine demonstrated, lost the first few battles and clearly winning; the Russian military now retreating from Kherson.

kiwiguy08 · #**8118** 25.10.2022, 02:28

	Quote:	komsomolez

This shizzz is getting bipartisan

komsomolez · #**8119** 25.10.2022, 05:21

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	This shizzz is getting bipartisan

It is. And what a fine list of people. But same in Europe, right? It is both the far-right and the far-left that seem ready to offer concessions to Russia.

Also shows that the Democrats on the left are still not getting it. Two weeks before the midterms, for f---s sake.

komsomolez · #**8120** 25.10.2022, 05:29

Russia’s ‘Dirty Bomb’ Ploy

By groundlessly suggesting that Ukraine is preparing to use a “dirty bomb,” the Kremlin is testing the West—and potentially provoking a nuclear standoff.

By Tom Nichols

https://www.theatlantic.com/newslett...campaign=share