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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Strange speech by Putin at the Valdai Club discussion forum in Moscow today.
He claimed that Moscow had never “intentionally said anything” about using nuclear weapons, but said that as long as the weapons existed, there was always the danger of their use.

And he denied that Russia was planning to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine. “We never intentionally said anything about the possibility of using nuclear weapons by Russia. We only responded with hints to (nuclear threats from) from Western leaders.”

In his speech he stressed the need to mend relations with Western countries, adding that Moscow “has never considered and does not consider itself an enemy of the West.” He also said "“Russians and Ukrainians are one people historically. It’s almost like civil war happening right now."

He is definitely a sandwich short of a picnic.

Just imagine the way Biden's mental competence would be attacked if he made speeches like this. Never mind Putin annexing a chunk of Ukraine without being able to define the geographic boundaries.

There are claims that Russia is reinforcing Kherson city to prepare for house-to-house fighting when as Zelensky hinted today if the Russians choose to stay in the city then Ukraine will simply surround it and block the supply routes.
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Old 27.10.2022, 23:01
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Two things:

Nobody believes anything they say, including the majority of Russians.

"We did not intentionally say" is a great testimony to the ability of their diplomatic service and overall handling of comms.
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Old 28.10.2022, 09:43
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Strange speech by Putin at the Valdai Club discussion forum in Moscow today.
He claimed that Moscow had never “intentionally said anything” about using nuclear weapons, but said that as long as the weapons existed, there was always the danger of their use.

And he denied that Russia was planning to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine. “We never intentionally said anything about the possibility of using nuclear weapons by Russia. We only responded with hints to (nuclear threats from) from Western leaders.”
Isn't that true? I haven't followed all of the things he said, but remembered that he said things like "will face consequences like you've never seen before" and just left it to our imaginations - it seemed like he took care never to make an explicit nuclear threat, just hinted at it through wording and context.
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Isn't that true? I haven't followed all of the things he said, but remembered that he said things like "will face consequences like you've never seen before" and just left it to our imaginations - it seemed like he took care never to make an explicit nuclear threat, just hinted at it through wording and context.
It's true, but also shows that he behaves like a gangster, because it's a primitive intimidation without a clear standpoint.

Have a sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmS22RJ-ZnA

Which - surprise, surprise - means that the person saying that is threating you with the most dangerous tool he has at his disposal. Which in that case is a nuclear weapon.

We are discussing/analyzing a street thug playbook that is used on the international level. Makes me sick honestly (that it happens on that level), but there is no rocket science behid it. Just thugs with ill intentions.

Always bothers me that Russian people allowed thugs to climb up to that "level". Hard to say then that a regular Russian is completely not responsible for the situation, ain't it?

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Isn't that true? I haven't followed all of the things he said, but remembered that he said things like "will face consequences like you've never seen before" and just left it to our imaginations - it seemed like he took care never to make an explicit nuclear threat, just hinted at it through wording and context.
I don't think he actually made such a threat, the media turned it into that to generate more clicks. Of course Biden didn't show the slightes intent to calm things down with his "Armageddon" during a fundraiser short after the below quote (taken from CNN).

Putin is clearly excluding nukes in the first sentence by segregating them into the 2nd. Also, Russia's nuclear doctrine from ~2020 explicitly declares them as deterrent only, which removes them from being at his disposal in this war.

"The territorial integrity of our homeland, our independence and freedom will be ensured, I will emphasize this again, with all the means at our disposal. And those who try to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know that the prevailing winds can turn in their direction,"
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Putin also knows that we know he denied he'd invade Ukraine.
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Putin also knows that we know he denied he'd invade Ukraine.
That should be reason enough to disbelieve him WRT to the nukes, too, even if you'd otherwise go along with the news' interpretation of it.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Another ungrateful freeloader
You couldn't make it up!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-DISHES.html

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You're a fool to think that's their job, let alone their intention.
Oi, Urs! Instead of a possible personal attack*, how about: 'You could well be slightly misled, if you imagined "they" confused job with personal agenda. Their intentions don't bare thinking about - was quite a nice sunny day, right?'

*Don't worry, about those of other posters with a track record....even if strong language is part of their accepted personality
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Another ungrateful freeloader
You couldn't make it up!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-DISHES.html

Always use extreme caution when opening your home, opening your heart to Ukrainian refugees!
obviously there are good and bad people of all stripes.

that this ukrainian lady turned out to be an ungrateful git would only be surprising to people who have swallowed the binary propaganda that ukrainians = good and russians = bad.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

In this war Ukrainians are the victims not the other way around.

Bringing up idiotic articles about their bad apples won't gonna change the sad state of affairs.


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This is some racist shit, Linnea and you should be ashamed of yourself. If only we had mods modding....eh.

Nobody will thank you for "warning" the forum against an entire group, minus those who think exactly like you, of course. But I bet there aren't that many people here to begin with.

I have seen negative attitudes for these refugees from day 1 on this forum and what it's really sad it's they come from people who should really know better.

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I have seen negative attitudes for these refugees from day 1 on this forum and what it's really sad it's they come from people who should really know better.
apparently quite a few refugees are coming from the west of ukraine, they get housing and financial assistance in CH and at the same time they rent out their houses in ukraine to displaced people from other parts of the country.

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apparently quite a few refugees are coming from the west of ukraine, they get housing and financial assistance in CH and at the same time they rent out their houses in ukraine to displaced people from other parts of the country.

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What does "apparently" mean? Source or it didn't happen.
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apparently quite a few refugees are coming from the west of ukraine, they get housing and financial assistance in CH and at the same time they rent out their houses in ukraine to displaced people from other parts of the country.

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Do you have any reliable source for it? They might come from anywhere around Ukraine because the whole country is at war.
But the tragic thing is that most people in the regions less affected by the war are reluctant to leave their homes. Even if they just have to cross some freaking borders. Males over 18 y.o. aren't allowed to leave anyway and the elderly don't see any point in leaving their houses, just to be looted by the Russian army.
This is so sneaky and perverse even for you, vushka. You don't know shit, you have no data yet you present these things as facts.

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What does "apparently" mean? Source or it didn't happen.
You could use your grey matter instead.

The UN estimate 6-8mln internal (domestic) refugees (a similar number as are believed to have fled abroad), with most fleeing from east and south to the west. Such huge numbers make renting out otherwise unused housing an obvius necessity and most probably a common thing.

It's as if the SJW types would rather see the internal refugees live in tents or on the streets.
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You could use your grey matter for once.

The UN estimate 6-8mln internal (domestic) refugees, with most fleeing from east and south to the west. Such huge numbers make renting out otherwise unused housing an obvius necessity and probably a common thing.
No, most people affected by the war were fleeing to the West of Europe or to neighbouring countries, just crossing other regions period. There is data for this.

The internal refugees are located in schools, institutions and people's homes like everywhere else. I think some are living in habitually unused houses.

Anyway, there's literally no evidence other people have left their homes only to rent it out to other refugees. Literally none. 0. Null.
Why would a refugee get a worse deal if they could just leave for Western Europe* themselves?
*where to quote vushka "they get housing and financial assistance".

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Another ungrateful freeloader
You couldn't make it up!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-DISHES.html
Is your only source of info the Daily Mail . Today, what struck me most was their headline:

„My husband beat me so hard with his shark-bone walking stick that I was left deaf in one ear': Princess Margaret's lady-in-waiting ANNE GLENCONNER reveals for the first time the violence that scarred her 50-year marriage“

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-marriage.html

Ummm, Sharks do not have bones (thought this was a pretty basic fact). The Daily Mail verify their stories as much as some others on this thread.

Sharks use their gills to filter oxygen from the water. They are a special type of fish known as "elasmobranchs", which translates into fish made of cartilaginous tissues—the clear gristly stuff that your ears and nose tip are made of
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Could Sevastopol become Russia's Pearl Harbour with Drones ?

Russia reports massive Drone attack on its Black Sea Fleet.


BBC News - Massive drone attack on Black Sea Fleet, says Russia
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Could Sevastopol become Russia's Pearl Harbour with Drones ?

Russia reports massive Drone attack on its Black Sea Fleet.


BBC News - Massive drone attack on Black Sea Fleet, says Russia
And Russia suspends grain deal, saying these ships were used for ensuring safe grain exports operations.
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