Now now desperate Russia is blaming the UK for having blown the Nordstream Gas Pipelines around Bornholm.

Given that they were only allowed permission by Sweden and Denmark since Thursday to even start their on-site investigations, after the Swedish and Danish investigations had been completed, that‘s moving pretty fast in their analysis …

Almost as fast as our own Kremlin trolls on EF.

You keep demonstrating that you have no clue what you're talking about, and keep making up stuff on the fly.

Screenie taken from the UNHCR website.

What? And you do? Take a chill pill, dear.

I didn't pull any number, it's you that made a false analogy between the number of internal refugees and the number of people leaving Ukraine in order to rent out their homes.

Easy, there.

Yeah, post this data in a huge graphic one more time, maybe everyone will get your point!!!!

Appears to be nothing more than a flyer for charity donations

Uh-oh! Do you have a link that proves the nefarious V is sneaky and perverse? Otherwise it would seem to be time to set off the “unnecessary personal attack” alarm. Won’t bother myself, as the powers that be are studiously ignoring relevant hints and even direct reports….

Keep digging.

Does Russia have access to the Swedish data and reports? And the Denish? Certainly they've cooperated.

I believe there never will be hard evidence from the site that allows to identify who did this. Unless of course the Russians planted a little Union Jack down there

Only Sweden, Germany and Denmark have been included in the initial cooperation. Russia (the owners of the pipeline) were not permitted from the beginning, pending the results.

Both Germany and Sweden backed-out early. Sweden stating that they did not wish to share their data with neighbouring countries.

Sweden have now given permission for the Russian investigation within their waters. Permission from Danish authorities to grant necessary permits within their economic zone is still pending.

As this is a military / defense investigation in the highly guarded waters of Denmark and Sweden, I sincerely doubt that Russia have been given access to their investigative records.

However, I do not know to what extent this may have (or not have been) granted.

They should make up their mind. First it was the Americans, then EU, now the British?

It's becoming a really bad black comedy, where the main characters are perpetually drunk. It would be "funny" if real people wouldn't die.

Well, no one died on NordStream. I was in Poland this week, was wondering whether they could have done it. I would rank them at higher likelihood than the US. But then again, difficult to see anyone within the alliance doing this. The risk to the alliance is just way to big.

Wow, you must be really proud of your strong opinion.
It's tempting to say that your the "strong silent type", except you're lacking in silence, because you make a lot of shitty assumptions leading you to saying trash.

I had no intentions of questioning vuhkas's source (if there would be one), personally I think the probability of events like that is very high.

But high probability doesn't yet make something true. Adding "apparently" doesn't make it a fact. If there is a statement, it should be backed with something, otherwise it's just empty words (or trolling). That's why I asked about the source. That's all. All the more you were guessing about my post is trash.

There is some footage from apparently UA "drone boats" on Twitter, but it is very difficult to see what they have actually hit, if anything.

You know I didn't mean NordStream, eh.
As for Poland, sure, why not. Maybe some aliens too? It seems pretty much everyone could have done it minus the Russians themselves, obvs.

I am sorry you did not get my point. I still think it is most likely that the Russians did it. Although the rationale seems weak, more burning boats on the beach.

Possible but pretty unlikely. You have the Americans with the motive, the ability, and also the public statements that they will do it (even Polish foreign minister posted a Thank you to the US on Twitter). As well as boats and helicopters at the precise location where the attack took place. All the circumstantial evidence points there.

I suspect it would have been US planned and facilitated operation but ideally with Ukrainian actually committing the direct act to avoid further escalation/broadening.


Someone told me that a German minister remarked that they know who did it but will not say due to national security - but I couldn't find any details to confirm this. As the biggest attack on EU energy infrastructure, there has been remarkably little noise made about it. Investigations that have been carried out have been quietly filed away without details being made public.

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Again, Nordstream was out of business already. The risk of severely damaging the alliance (i.e. alienating Germany) by blowing up Nordstream and also definitely extending the energy shortages in Europe does seem extreme for a member of the alliance to take. For very little gain, if any. Europe will be buying loads of US LNG anyway.

If I were Russia, then I’d focus next on on sabotaging the Norway / UK gas pipelines

Thanks.

Would be nice to have more details.
So far as I understand, Ukraine's military drones do not have the range to reach Sevastopol.
Commercial drones would not be a threat to naval ships.

As was mentioned there are videos but the quality is so poor they could be showing anything anywhere.