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12.11.2022, 21:58
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Probably just a coincidence, both Admiral Grigorovich frigates have not left port since.
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13.11.2022, 16:29
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Those naughty Russian milbloggers questioned the legitimacy of the claimed 87% support rate for the Russian annexation of Kherson Oblast when so many people turned out to welcome the Ukrainian liberators.
Social media footage showed that Russian forces have abandoned some military equipment like helicopters and armored vehicles, despite the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claims that Russian forces transferred 5,000 pieces of weaponry to the left (eastern) bank.
Here is a video of one abandoned helicopter, probably genuine because armies do not usually leave military helicopters on a roadside with no troops around.
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14.11.2022, 12:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Interesting people the Ukraine military.
Confirmed counter-offensive on the Kinburn peninsula today, this is the piece of land south of Kherson on the extreme West end of the Eastern bank. Difficult for Russia to defend itself when the whole area is within range of Ukraine's artillery on the recently liberated Western bank.
The river is very wide there so presumably the troops were delivered by boat, it is a sandy region so does not have the mud problems like the rest of Ukraine
Now Russia has an interesting dilemma whether to bring back the Russian troops evacuated from the West bank to defend against the Ukraine offensive or take the risk that from this direction Ukraine will run wild behind the Russian defenses that they built along the Eastern bank. They are only around 150Km by road from the nearest Crimea bridge and about 80Km from cutting the main Russian supply route from Crimea to the East bank of the Dnipro.
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15.11.2022, 20:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Looks like two Russian missiles have landed in Poland and killed two people. Polish govt in emergency session.
Unconfirmed still.
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15.11.2022, 20:19
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The law of unintended consequences strikes again.
Due to the power cuts in Ukraine from Russian missile attacks the southern branch of the Druzhba, or Friendship pipeline, which runs via Ukraine to Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic and carries Russian oil is out of commission.
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15.11.2022, 20:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Looks like two Russian missiles have landed in Poland and killed two people. Polish govt in emergency session.
Unconfirmed still. | | | | | 2 Polish people killed, that is a huge issue…
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15.11.2022, 21:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | 2 Polish people killed, that is a huge issue… | | | | | Could also have been a Ukrainian air defense missile gone astray. They are clearly having their hands full today with some 100 missiles fired onto them.
We will see. There will be plenty of professionals analyzing this now.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Looks like two Russian missiles have landed in Poland and killed two people. Polish govt in emergency session.
Unconfirmed still. | | | | | Looks nasty, some East European countries are calling for a NATO response
Following the claims that Oleshky on the East bank of the Dnipro was liberated by Ukraine, the Russian journalists were told to leave the city.
Here is claimed to be a video from such a journalist. He drove around 9Km southeast from Oleshky @ 140Kmh. There are no signs of Russian checkpoints or soldiers or military equipment other than some tank traps. The video is geo-located, which means there are geographic features identified to confirm the location, you can do the same with google Street View.
Oleshky is around 5Km from Kherson on the opposite river bank and 80Km from the Kinburn peninsula where Ukraine is reputed to have landed so hard to believe it was liberated.
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15.11.2022, 21:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Is the West pushing UA to end the fighting? I first started noticing remarks in the US media about a negotiated end to the war giving up Crimea, and also in the FT:
"Some western diplomats have privately said that talks could start on the basis of the front line that preceded Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24."
"Ukrainian officials have stressed in recent days that they intend to keep fighting, despite mixed messages from the west about whether it is time to more seriously consider negotiations with Russia."
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15.11.2022, 21:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Is the West pushing UA to end the fighting? I first started noticing remarks in the US media about a negotiated end to the war giving up Crimea, and also in the FT:
"Some western diplomats have privately said that talks could start on the basis of the front line that preceded Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24."
"Ukrainian officials have stressed in recent days that they intend to keep fighting, despite mixed messages from the west about whether it is time to more seriously consider negotiations with Russia." | | | | | “I’ve been very clear that we’re going to continue to provide the capability for the Ukrainian people to defend themselves. And we are not going to engage in any negotiation,” Biden said. “Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine. This is a decision Ukraine has to make.”
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15.11.2022, 22:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Could also have been a Ukrainian air defense missile gone astray. They are clearly having their hands full today with some 100 missiles fired onto them.
We will see. There will be plenty of professionals analyzing this now. | | | | | Anything is possible but the Ukrainian air defense missiles would likely be launched against Russian missiles launched from Russia, Belarus, Russian-occupied territory, or the Black Sea so all sent in the wrong direction for Poland.
Depends on how well they can self-steer and reverse direction
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15.11.2022, 22:51
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Anything is possible but the Ukrainian air defense missiles would likely be launched against Russian missiles launched from Russia, Belarus, Russian-occupied territory, or the Black Sea so all sent in the wrong direction for Poland.
Depends on how well they can self-steer and reverse direction | | | | | I am vaguely aware of the geography. Which is why I wrote "gone astray".
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16.11.2022, 09:50
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The law of unintended consequences strikes again.
Due to the power cuts in Ukraine from Russian missile attacks the southern branch of the Druzhba, or Friendship pipeline, which runs via Ukraine to Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic and carries Russian oil is out of commission. | | | | | We have a friend who is from a place close to the border with Hungary (western UA) and his family will come live with him because they have no electricity, nothing...another colleague has family in Vinnytsia where a random bomb killed a few people in the street a few months ago and they're still there. If bombs didn't make them move then, lack of electricity and basic stuff will...
To be honest the news about two people randomly killed in Poland are pretty scary, not only sad. We've rather got used with innocent civilians killed in this absurd war. I worried from the very beginning for my country( and for Moldova*) and now it's like my worst worries could come true. No-one should feel safe anymore.
*speaking of which https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...059_story.html
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16.11.2022, 16:38
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The missiles came from the Ukraine
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16.11.2022, 17:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The missiles came from the Russian occupied part of Ukraine | | | | | FTFY, enjoy | 
16.11.2022, 17:55
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The US and Stoltenberg are now saying it is likely the missile was UA air defense. Zelensky just repeated that they are sure it was not theirs. Whatever it was, Zelensky does not look very good in this, and allows the Russians to score some points.
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16.11.2022, 18:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Supposedly an S-300, of which the fancy versions fire about 400km. So quite the stretch from Russian occupied territories.
BBC has an article about how pointing the finger too quickly can cause fatigue in supporting Ukraine. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63651154
"This kind of rhetoric is beginning to exhaust the patience of some Western diplomats. They fear that Kyiv's at times maximalist language and demands risk adding to so-called "Ukraine fatigue" among allies."
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16.11.2022, 19:47
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Ukraine is probably the biggest national security threat to western europe and the US at the moment, tbh
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16.11.2022, 19:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Ukraine is probably the biggest national security threat to western europe and the US at the moment, tbh | | | | | LOL. Happy to see that you survived the midterms unscathed.
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16.11.2022, 21:27
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