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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Sounds unlikely but stranger things have happened

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Temporarily occupied Dzhankoy, Crimea. There is an attack on the airfield, Russian aircraft, Su-25 attack aircraft and Su-34 bombers are on fire and detonating.
The strike was carried out by new Ukrainian developed kamikaze drones
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LOL. Happy to see that you survived the midterms unscathed.
How do you know?
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Sounds unlikely but stranger things have happened



poor quality Video here.

Another video
Both appear to be from the August attack. Your 2nd link got commented with a link to the original.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Conspiracy theory of the day:

Kyiv : 50.4501N, 30.5234E
Lviv : 49.842957N, 24.031E

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50.4501N, 24.031E
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The US and Stoltenberg are now saying it is likely the missile was UA air defense. Zelensky just repeated that they are sure it was not theirs. Whatever it was, Zelensky does not look very good in this, and allows the Russians to score some points.
so the "russian propaganda" turned out to be the truth...
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so the "russian propaganda" turned out to be the truth...
Stopped clock....
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so the "russian propaganda" turned out to be the truth...
Why do you build general statements based on exceptions?
Seriously, what's your game? But in general - what is your aim with these comments?
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Why do you build general statements based on exceptions?
Seriously, what's your game? But in general - what is your aim with these comments?
Because when people start shouting that Russia attacked Poland, and it turns out it was a stray missile from Ukrainern forces, people will doubt/second guess future Ukrainian statements.
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Because when people start shouting that Russia attacked Poland, and it turns out it was a stray missile from Ukrainern forces, people will doubt/second guess future Ukrainian statements.
What was the Ukrainian missile trying to hit?
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What was the Ukrainian missile trying to hit?
Another missile? The S-300 is meant for surface to air targets.

They're firing thousands of these things, a few are bound to go wonky, especially with the age of most of them.

There's already stories of Russian missiles boomeranging back to Russia, or exploding on launch, I don't see it as unbelievable that a missiles guidance system can fail.
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Another missile? The S-300 is meant for surface to air targets.

They're firing thousands of these things, a few are bound to go wonky, especially with the age of most of them.

There's already stories of Russian missiles boomeranging back to Russia, or exploding on launch, I don't see it as unbelievable that a missiles guidance system can fail.
This is the point I was trying to elicit. They were clearly attempting to defend themselves, so if Russia is looking to absolve themselves of blame, that is entirely ridiculous. The UKR missile is never launched if Russia hadn't launched one themselves.

Would be like a small kid in the playground putting throwing his arms in front of his face when a bully tried to punch him, those flailing arms hitting someone standing nearby, and the bully trying to blame the kid defending himself.

Pathetic.
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This is the point I was trying to elicit. They were clearly attempting to defend themselves, so if Russia is looking to absolve themselves of blame, that is entirely ridiculous. The UKR missile is never launched if Russia hadn't launched one themselves.

Would be like a small kid in the playground putting throwing his arms in front of his face when a bully tried to punch him, those flailing arms hitting someone standing nearby, and the bully trying to blame the kid defending himself.

Pathetic.
I never said Russia was without fault, however Ukraine should own up to the fact it was theirs if it is proven as theirs. Honesty would keep them in a more positive world view (at least in my opinion). Russia has been lying since the start of this, I'd prefer if Ukraine didn't emulate them.

As for the metaphor, it's not a playground, it's a home invasion where one of your shots hits your neighbors child. It's a tragedy.
Then again one of Putins predecessors already covered this.
"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic."
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I never said Russia was without fault, however Ukraine should own up to the fact it was theirs if it is proven as theirs. Honesty would keep them in a more positive world view (at least in my opinion). Russia has been lying since the start of this, I'd prefer if Ukraine didn't emulate them.

As for the metaphor, it's not a playground, it's a home invasion where one of your shots hits your neighbors child. It's a tragedy.
Then again one of Putins predecessors already covered this.
"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic."
Just to be clear, the "Pathetic" wasn't aimed at you or anyone on this thread (although might be appropriate for some!), but at Russia's role and denials of responsibility in this.

I suspect even if it had been a Russian missile gone a bit off target, investigations would have found it to be a UKR defensive missile, because were it the former, it would open up a world changing avenue that we aren't quite prepared to go down yet.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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I never said Russia was without fault, however Ukraine should own up to the fact it was theirs if it is proven as theirs. Honesty would keep them in a more positive world view (at least in my opinion). Russia has been lying since the start of this, I'd prefer if Ukraine didn't emulate them.
despite their well known honesty ukraine had somehow managed to become one of the most corrupt countries in europe

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Stopped clock....
meanwhile zelensky is still denying it!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63656664
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meanwhile zelensky is still denying it!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63656664
Neither RU nor Nato want an escalation, Russia could do far more harm if that was the intent. The Zaporisha NPP is (mostly) intact and the Kakhovka dam is still standing despite the alarmist news articles. No nuclear mushrooms either.

Zelinsky however may have a different POV. His job is to protect UA, and reduce the damage to his country and people. If things continue like they did so far, then this war will cost many tens of thousands more UA lives and result in tremendous damage. But if he managed to get Nato involved most of his problems would be as good as solved. So, he may have decided that it's time to try and pull in Nato, whether his story is factual or not.

But even if Zelinsky's right, Nato might still think that their version has better consequences than his. Ergo his must not be. The truth is the first victim in war.
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Another missile? The S-300 is meant for surface to air targets.

They're firing thousands of these things, a few are bound to go wonky, especially with the age of most of them.

There's already stories of Russian missiles boomeranging back to Russia, or exploding on launch, I don't see it as unbelievable that a missiles guidance system can fail.
Are they so wonky that they fly 100 km to a town across the border? Something seems a bit fishy in this whole thing
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Do you want President Zelenskiy to pay her legal fees? He is flush with [American taxpayers'] cash

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ks/ar-AA13rQ6e


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Pathetic timewaster



What are the chances of her legal team ever getting paid?
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Are they so wonky that they fly 100 km to a town across the border? Something seems a bit fishy in this whole thing
It is often a good idea to look at whatever facts are available before making claims that are easily disproven.

This Polish village is about 8Km from the Ukraine border so your claim of a 100Km flight is something you pulled out of a place where the sun does not shine. Unless you know from where the missile was launched.

The Polish village is also 10km (6 miles) from the Dobrotvirska power plant in Ukraine so possibly that was a Russian target and consequently had air defences nearby.
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What was the Ukrainian missile trying to hit?
airplane perhaps? already seen.
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