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Old 11.01.2023, 12:43
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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So, war is a mess. The desire for certainty from the columnist reveals an adult who is not able to cope with the noise and uncertainty of our world.
Don't know where this comes from: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"
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Old 11.01.2023, 12:45
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Don't know where this comes from: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"
It's not from Sun Tzu
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Old 11.01.2023, 13:24
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate. Sun Tzu
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Old 11.01.2023, 13:52
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Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate. Sun Tzu
Nothing subtle about Russian military tactics so far.
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Old 11.01.2023, 15:11
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

I should have added a sarcasm emoji.
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Old 11.01.2023, 15:21
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Nothing subtle about Russian military tactics so far.
"Subtle" is offensive in Russian
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Old 11.01.2023, 18:04
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Pushing red lines in a good direction.

"“A company of Leopard tanks for Ukraine will be handed over/given as part of building an international coalition,” Duda said in a statement on his official Twitter account. “This decision has already been taken in Poland.” "

A tank company in Poland consists of 14 vehicles, presumably Leopard 2.
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Nothing subtle about Russian military tactics so far.
They make up for that deficit with their abundant mysteriousness and lack of soundness.
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Old 12.01.2023, 09:33
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They make up for that deficit with their abundant mysteriousness and lack of soundness.
Well, they are turning Bahkmut/Soledar into the Somme of the 21st century. The only real difference is that there is no shortage of drone footage to reveal the wasteland littered with destruction and corpses. Otherwise the madness is just the same.
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Old 12.01.2023, 12:26
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The Ruskies leave their boys there in the mud so the gov't doesn't have to pay the blood money and a Lada to their families. Just list them MIA.
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The Ruskies leave their boys there in the mud so the gov't doesn't have to pay the blood money and a Lada to their families. Just list them MIA.
Many of them are simple boys from poorer regions like Dagestan, Krasnoyarsk, Ingushetia etc....rest assured, they don't leave their Moscow and St. Petersburg boys in the mud...in true fascist way

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Russians are paying a high price for their president’s war in Ukraine. Already tens of thousands of Russian soldiers have been killed during Vladimir Putin’s ill-conceived invasion. In late September, amid humiliating defeats, Mr Putin declared the “partial mobilisation” of the country to bolster the war effort. But not all Russians are treated equally. Analysts suggest Mr Putin is relying on poor and remote areas of the country, often places with large ethnic-minority populations, to feed his faltering war machine (see chart).
https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...rs-coming-from
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Old 12.01.2023, 15:06
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Well, they are turning Bahkmut/Soledar into the Somme of the 21st century. The only real difference is that there is no shortage of drone footage to reveal the wasteland littered with destruction and corpses. Otherwise the madness is just the same.
Ukraine's strategy is to stay in towns that the Russians are attacking so long as the Russian losses are much higher, especially in Soledar where it is claimed Russia is concentrating their best remaining troops so Ukraine is depleting a rare resource.
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Old 12.01.2023, 16:23
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Ukraine's strategy is to stay in towns that the Russians are attacking so long as the Russian losses are much higher, especially in Soledar where it is claimed Russia is concentrating their best remaining troops so Ukraine is depleting a rare resource.
I doubt they are committing their best troops to a turkey shoot. From my understanding, they have 3 levels:

The most disposable troops (prison conscripts and ethnic minorities) are sent on the attack waves. Life expectancy can be measured in hours, maybe days.

Other mobilised troops are then used to advance to or hold defensive positions at the front line.

Regular army are then used as "barrier" troops: basically they shoot anyone retreating or deserting.
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Old 12.01.2023, 16:35
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I doubt they are committing their best troops to a turkey shoot. From my understanding, they have 3 levels:

The most disposable troops (prison conscripts and ethnic minorities) are sent on the attack waves. Life expectancy can be measured in hours, maybe days.

Other mobilised troops are then used to advance to or hold defensive positions at the front line.

Regular army are then used as "barrier" troops: basically they shoot anyone retreating or deserting.
That sounds awfully like the tactics used by the Soviet Union in the battle of Stalingrad in 1942.
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Old 12.01.2023, 17:01
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That sounds awfully like the tactics used by the Soviet Union in the battle of Stalingrad in 1942.
Old habits die hard.
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Old 12.01.2023, 17:22
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I doubt they are committing their best troops to a turkey shoot. From my understanding, they have 3 levels:

The most disposable troops (prison conscripts and ethnic minorities) are sent on the attack waves. Life expectancy can be measured in hours, maybe days.

Other mobilised troops are then used to advance to or hold defensive positions at the front line.

Regular army are then used as "barrier" troops: basically they shoot anyone retreating or deserting.
True in most places but Soledar is seen as Russia's best chance of a "victory" although it was only a small town with ten thousand residents.

It is claimed the Russians are attacking Soledar with VDV units and Spetsnaz (special forces), supported by the 20th Guards Mechanised Division and one of their independent artillery brigades equipped with TOS-1 multiple rocket launchers.

Of course, these VDV and Spetsnaz units were mauled early during the war, then ‘re-built’ with help of the recently mobilised who, as you say, get sent in first.

It is believed the 20th Guards Mechanised is one of the best-equipped units of the Russian army.

It is also believed that Ukraine made a big mistake in Soledar by sending in soldiers from too many different units causing command and communication problems after the 93rd Mech was rotated out. They are now reorganising their command and resources.

Edit: I was just posting about the Russian army, of course, Wagner also have big presence there.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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So, war is a mess. The desire for certainty from the columnist reveals an adult who is not able to cope with the noise and uncertainty of our world.
the author is 'a barrister and former military officer who has served in the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan' so he seems qualified to talk about war.

I think his assessments seem on point but perhaps the reality is uncomfortable for some.

the “bleed Russia dry” approach is best approached by continuing the war as long as possible, engaging and degrading Russia’s armed forces as deeply and for as long as possible, while preferably maintaining combat at a manageable level of intensity. It amounts to using Ukraine’s forces as a proxy army. Dan Crenshaw, a Republican congressman,summarised this approachas “investing in the destruction of our adversary’s military, without losing a single American troop”.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Where would the world be without US?
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...uverify%20wall
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Where would the world be without US?
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...uverify%20wall
Do they also mention how US has helped Russia during the Second World War?
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Old 13.01.2023, 18:48
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the author is 'a barrister and former military officer who has served in the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan' so he seems qualified to talk about war.

I think his assessments seem on point but perhaps the reality is uncomfortable for some.

the “bleed Russia dry” approach is best approached by continuing the war as long as possible, engaging and degrading Russia’s armed forces as deeply and for as long as possible, while preferably maintaining combat at a manageable level of intensity. It amounts to using Ukraine’s forces as a proxy army. Dan Crenshaw, a Republican congressman,summarised this approachas “investing in the destruction of our adversary’s military, without losing a single American troop”.
"former military officer who has served in the Balkans, Iraq, and Afghanistan" served on the winning side or the losing one?
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