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Old 26.01.2023, 21:12
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Sanctions, western companies exodus...or?


Only about 8 percent of EU firms have divested from Russia, with the majority of Western firms still active in the country being German.





The study cited in the article here by the University of St. Gallen
Hm. There are many companies that still have business in Russia, have announced they would divest, actually ringfenced the Russian business and separated accounting-wise as an entity for sale, but have not been able (or maybe willing) to sell. Would be interesting to see the write-offs related to Russian activities.

Also, one can question if selling a business unit in Russia to someone else (Russian or Chinese) is going to have any effect. Other than making a political statement of course.
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Old 26.01.2023, 21:21
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That was obviously a provocative gesture of a known alt-righter (he was a godsend to Erdogan; I would argue far right parties have a strong link to Russia) and the Swedes have already apologised for it.

Turkey just wants to find pretexts to make Sweden extradite the Kurdish refugees they deem dangerous.

Btw, it will be interesting to watch how Russia will take Finland's bid to join Nato as they have a common border....will they invade Finland too?
Rumours are that the Koran burning was directed by the Russian intelligence as you imply.

Other rumours that the US has told Turkey to stop screwing around if they want to buy F16 fighters, another win for Erdogan.

Poitics is a dirty business.
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Old 26.01.2023, 21:24
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I totally agree with other you. But would you want to put our entire civilization on the line.?
Would be more sensible to ask Putin, we have no influence.
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Old 26.01.2023, 21:27
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Rumours are that the Koran burning was directed by the Russian intelligence as you imply.

Other rumours that the US has told Turkey to stop screwing around if they want to buy F16 fighters, another win for Erdogan.

Poitics is a dirty business.
It's the timing...every country that doesn't follow Russia's directions is suffering one consequence or another...didn't say it's a hybrid war?

But at least Erdogan will be happy now because he will have all those F16s parked in front of his palace.....
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Old 26.01.2023, 21:48
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While I am happy that tanks will be delievered, the whole discussion is a bit misleading.

Reading, and only partly understanding, what some of the military experts write about it, it seems that the actual topic is how to equip and train Ukraine for combined arms operations in the right quality and quantity. The war is still largely fought as an artillery war on both sides, and Ukraine will not be able to maintain this over the longer term as they will lack ammunition. Apparently, they are using tanks as artillery now.

So whta matters is the wholistic picture how much they get in terms of tanks, air defense, infantry fighting vehicles, rocket artillery, spare parts, ammo, training and intelligence. No one in the public debate can really assess this better than the relevant NATO and army experts, and maybe it should be left to them to come up with a plan what is required and what not.

Anecdotally, the former German Minister of Defense did not even allow the Bundewehr to assess tank delivery options in advance, as she was apparently told by Scholz that was off the table and bad looks. Again, politics over military requirements and thoughtful planning.
Interesting post today by another military expert, the convicted terrorist Igor Gerkin, he said training Ukrainians on the new tanks is not so important. There are plenty of foreign mercenaries who have such skills.

Here is a link to the UA web site recruiting such.
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Old 26.01.2023, 21:58
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It's the timing...every country that doesn't follow Russia's directions is suffering one consequence or another...didn't say it's a hybrid war?

But at least Erdogan will be happy now because he will have all those F16s parked in front of his palace.....
Talking about F16s.....

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Old 26.01.2023, 22:39
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*mod note - posted in Truth Social for anyone questioning the veracity.

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I am not lamenting at all, I am just laughing at your hypothesis that Scholz outmaneuvered Biden.
Cool, enjoy it while it lasts.

Btw, EU inflation topped out at a little over 10%, a far cry from your totally objective prediction. IIRC you claimed 15% as the absolute minimum for the first months of the year.
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Old 27.01.2023, 09:20
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Cool, enjoy it while it lasts.

Btw, EU inflation topped out at a little over 10%, a far cry from your totally objective prediction. IIRC you claimed 15% as the absolute minimum for the first months of the year.
I did? I believe I said something like I would not be surprised if it hits 15. And what does have to do with anything here?
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Old 27.01.2023, 13:25
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I did? I believe I said something like I would not be surprised if it hits 15. And what does have to do with anything here?
It probably has to do with the will of Germany to support Ukraine......if economic conditions deteriorate then there will be less support for UA.

Or something. It's hard to make sense of Urs' s cryptic posts.

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

NZZ claims (article accessible after free registration) that Germany was stalling the delivery of other countries' Leopard tanks to Ukraine because German military industry shrunk during the last 30 years of reduced military spending and cannot replace those quickly, and the US would take over theses markets with their ones:
https://www.nzz.ch/international/kam...ern-ld.1722377
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Old 28.01.2023, 10:30
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Interesting post today by another military expert, the convicted terrorist Igor Gerkin, he said training Ukrainians on the new tanks is not so important. There are plenty of foreign mercenaries who have such skills.

Here is a link to the UA web site recruiting such.
A truly laughable statement, General Marton. I have no idea why you quote such nonsense.

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Old 28.01.2023, 15:54
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

From today's Zürcher Unterländer

In English "The Swiss army has 96 Leopard 2 tanks in a secret location planned to be scrapped"

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An einem geheimen Ort in der Ostschweiz hat die Schweizer Armee 96 Leopard-2-Panzer eingemottet.
Geradenoch galtensie als Alteisen, eigentlich hätten sie schon verschrottet werden sollen.
Now there is a hot political discussion about alternatives for these tanks.
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Old 28.01.2023, 15:59
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NZZ claims (article accessible after free registration) that Germany was stalling the delivery of other countries' Leopard tanks to Ukraine because German military industry shrunk during the last 30 years of reduced military spending and cannot replace those quickly, and the US would take over theses markets with their ones:
https://www.nzz.ch/international/kam...ern-ld.1722377
If true, that would mean Germany has more balls that I'd have credited them with.
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Old 28.01.2023, 16:51
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From today's Zürcher Unterländer

In English "The Swiss army has 96 Leopard 2 tanks in a secret location planned to be scrapped"



Now there is a hot political discussion about alternatives for these tanks.
Offer them to the UA as remote home offices perhaps.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

New 3 part documentary called Putin vs the West on BBC2 tonight and available on BBC I-Player.

BBC I-Player, BBC2 Putin vs the West
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Old 30.01.2023, 11:53
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

News from the weekend...if some things are inevitable, better have someone with experience in there.

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Retired army general and former NATO military committee Chief Petr Pavel won the Czech presidential election, promising to return the country back to the international stage after years of isolation.

In his campaign before the elections, Pavel supported the pro-European course of the country. As a former top NATO official, he emphasised the importance of the defence alliance, particularly in the context of the war in Ukraine.

“President Pavel’s firm Euro-Atlantic orientation towards the EU and NATO and his understanding of Russia’s war and the need to support Ukraine will represent a new approach in Czech behaviour, which will no longer be diluted by the revisionist attitudes of (outgoing) President Miloš Zeman,” Havlíček said.

Zeman was well known for his pro-Russian and pro-Chinese views, preferring investments while turning a blind eye to the problems associated with these countries. According to Havlíček, Zeman even “isolated the Czech Republic in the international arena.”
https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...nal-isolation/

Who was the guy before? Someone a bit more confused.

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Miloš Zeman, the Czech president, has a habit of going against mainstream thinking. Despite most Czechs holding unfavourable views of Moscow and Beijing, Zeman has arguably done more than any politician to foster friendships with both countries’ regimes.......After Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, Zeman advised against blaming Vladimir Putin, the Russian president. He called it “a civil war between two groups of Ukrainian citizens”, and then attended Russian Victory Day celebrations in Moscow the following year.

Most controversially, he appeared to defend Russia against his own country’s intelligence agencies. Last year, the Czech government said there was “unequivocal evidence” that Russian military agents were behind the explosion of a huge ammunition depot in the eastern Czech Republic town of Vrbětice in 2014 that left two people dead. Zeman sparked outrage -- including from cabinet ministers -- when he spoke of the “hysteria” and “speculation” about Russia’s involvement.

But Zeman made a resounding volte-face after the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in late February. On the day of the invasion, he called for Russia to be banned from SWIFT, the international payments scheme, and dubbed the assault “a crime against peace”.

He’s also described Putin as a “madman”. As he put it: “Lunatics need to be isolated, and we must protect against them not only by words but by concrete measures.”

And he has been contrite. Hours after Russia attacked he admitted he had been wrong to previously downplay the possibility of an invasion.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...russian-stance
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

After so many tanks have been delivered or promised to UA it looks like Putin wants to negotiate? Or is it too early to say anything?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ia-2023-01-29/
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Old 30.01.2023, 15:05
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After so many tanks have been delivered or promised to UA it looks like Putin wants to negotiate? Or is it too early to say anything?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ia-2023-01-29/
More likely Putin sees Scholz as a lever for fomenting EU disunity.
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More likely Putin sees Scholz as a lever for fomenting EU disunity.
How so? Germany has decided to send tanks to UA....which enjoys the approval of most countries in the EU.

Should Scholz (Germany) be suspected of fomenting EU disunity just because we have this reflex anyway?
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