English speakers living in DNR? Like Vice-President Joe Biden’s son Hunter, who has been hired as the top lawyer for Burisma, Ukraine’s biggest independent natural gas producer? Exactly these English-speaking people are using the Ukrainian army as the pro-US troops indeed.

Cheese eating surrender monkeys. What the hell is Sarkozy doing talking to the press? Merkel and Hollande rushed to Putin to "try to avert escalation" over the weekend, and then the Kremlin responds with:

Kremlin: Don't Issue Ultimatums To Putin



You see, when you appease tyrants, they instinctively consider it a weakness and it emboldens them.

Worrisome that Merkel and Hollande are now trying to appear like the middle ground appeasers for something they initially spearheaded. Such passive aggression. Yet, they now appear to be setting the stage for...

A US-Russia showdown.

I gotta say these International Affairs script writers nowadays ought to stick to writing for Hollywood movies,


I think Putin found an opening to take on an emboldened posture, after this round of goofiness from the German lady and those two French wankers. The situation just got drastically worse. Lets see how they play Chicken.

Le Temps writes that Switzerland should consider joining the EU in sanctioning Russia were the peace talks fruitless.
http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/3e33...1-84ba1d1afc1c

Amazing to hear an expert for Dagestani and Chechnyan affairs


And while Russia is a country, the EU is just an organisation.

Well, it's a good time to get rid of minorities, not only Russians... If you're an ethnic Romanian living in Hertsa and you're forced (beaten, taken into cars somewhere you don't know, your family doesn't know) to fight for the integrity of Ukraine...I mean, from all those Ukrainian men they picked you to do that....it does sound a bit suspect.
Anyway, this is a fight that could last....years! The West won't do much, lots of people will be killed senselessly. Not sure Ukraine will keep the Eastern part of the country. Maybe they'll do, who knows.

Slovenia and Croatia got helped by Western Europe and the USA. Any agression is just invented by you
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In the end, East Ukraine will get to Russia, but not in accordance with the wishes of Mr Putin but in the way of positive compromises.

Looks like mikimedic is back

Indeed, in fact the UK has a territorial claim to the area, and has a moral obligation to assist the pro-UK rebels in defending their land

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...g-British.html


Well, he did get kicked out of the Navy for doing drugs so they had to find something for him to do . Since Ukraine is so messed up right now, I guess they figured he couldn't do any harm over there

About "after this round of goofiness from the German lady and those two French wankers. "

The French are just interested in selling battleships to Russia which will not happen before the Ukraine fighting stops.

The German lady is a politician who bends to the wind; in this case the wind come from German business who want to get back to business as usual selling to the Russian mates

Or maybe they take seriously Putin's threat to not stop before Paris.

I do not see NATO involvement? NATO is a democratic organisation and Greece has already hinted it will not support military action, I doubt Turkey will either now they were promised a nice new gas pipeline?

In typical passive aggressive fashion, they will likely back down to a middle, neutral position, then try to get the US and Russia to go at each other. Gutless. Personally, I'm sick of the US littering the world with all kinds of weapons. That is NOT what the US is about.

The danger is that Putin sees an opportunity for victory, and Obama is desperate to show some International accomplishments in face of criticism of how the world fell apart on his watch. How do we fire them both at the same time?

About "How do we fire them both at the same time?" Time to return to the days of one on one hand to hand combat

Yeah, some of these issues should be addressed chivalrously by these "Leaders" instead of committing thousands of people to die for their egos.

I could just see it now... Vlad and Barry, choose your match. Vlad: Wrestling! Obama: Basketball!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphxyjrH4SE

Given the amount of straight out lying on all sides from day one I think it is fair to say that nobody realy knows what is happening in Ukraine.

I dont believe what any of the US media giants have to say and the same goes for BBC.

As for where most of the news, on anything political originates? Namely AP and Reuters. Well those two have contributed to their fair share of lies too.

I prefer to get my news from the tried and trusted political commentators that I turn to on such matters. Not some drone from BBC/NBC etc who will say that Hitler is alive and well on the dark side of the moon if they are ordered to do so.

The best information I have states that the who coup was organised through social media by US military hackers. But as I have stated who realy knows?

An incredible pity. Ukraine and all it has gone through. If anything the history of Ukraine shows how far people are prepared to gamble their lives away to maintain hope.

And as for Obama and Putin? They are both just as bad as each other in my book. They both have very shady histories. Both were very closely connected to killings/murder on a regular basis.

If anyone is into this praying thing now is the time to put a word in for the innocents of Ukraine.

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England and America are two countries separated by a common language. George Shaw 1856-1950

Apart from how it was organized, does the cause and reason for it matter?


Seeing Obama talk about "contemplating sending lethal weapons" made me sick. As if the lives on the balance was up to his "contemplation". At this point in time, I think it is quite important for the Ukranians themselves to determine what they want to do about this situation. They need to pause and make that determination.

About "The best information I have states that the who coup was organised through social media " If that is the best you have I shudder to think what is the worst!

About "I prefer to get my news from the tried and trusted political commentators" Would you care to educate us and share names?

There is a theory floating around that the US want to send weapons to increase the Russian soldier death rate and thus impact Putin's popularity at home.

Seems an over complex theory to me

There are rumours floating around on "social media" that an Ukraine militia has shot down a Russian SU25!
Would be good if anyone here could verify this or not. Seems to be "well" timed before tomorrow's peace talks

Body count never mattered over there. The media don't mention it at all.

Interesting theory floated by Russian sources. Actually not a bad idea, from the Russian POV. It would punish the US and help restore the Russian economy. Of course it would isolate them further from the rest of the world, but they don't seem to be too worried about that lately.