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Old 21.02.2015, 11:34
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The Mujaheddins armed with modern weapons established a de facto no fly zone for Soviets. Mostly, I guess, illiterate farmers.
Maybe illiterate but they were trained to use the weapons.

Here is what happens when untrained people use such weapons; they miss!

The training was part of the rumoured $4 Billion budget for the US run Operation Cyclone.

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Old 21.02.2015, 23:21
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Viktor Yanukovych gave a Press conference today where he threatened promised to return to Ukraine.
Life is stranger than fiction

So far as I understand the people in the West Ukraine hate him for being a Russian puppet and the people in the East hate him for "running away"?
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Old 22.02.2015, 10:27
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Because you think Poroshenko is popular? Nobody forgot the corruption, he is a wimp for the nationalists for not winning the war, the eastern sessesionists can see his turn righht into nato's arms and people inbetween don't see the difference between this oligarch and the other oligarchs.
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A)

B) Collateral Damage is a disrespectful and insulting Expression

cannot agree more

http://www.dw.de/collateral-damage-n...rin/a-17516618

"Victory over evil always comes at a price," NATO spokesman Jamie Shea would later say. In his vocabulary, Varvarin's ten deaths and 30 wounded are only collateral damage."
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Old 22.02.2015, 15:21
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"Victory over evil always comes at a price"
Hitler too had a definition of evil.
Saying that is just pure stupidity. I don't blame lack of education, some people stay stupid after they completed it.

I don't mind accepting the fact that there is a part of rhetoric in all political conflicts, but when rhetoric defeats thinking, it's not just politics, it's a crime. I don't care which side of the conflict said that, both could have.
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When he has the land-bridge to the Crimea Mr Putin will talk with Bulgaria, Turkey, Egypt in order to arrange access to the warmer seas.


"Rebels" in Saloniki may demand a RE-unificatîon with Bulgaria
"Activists" in Bulgaria will demand Bulgaria joining Russia
Rebels in Serbia have already succeeded.
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Old 22.02.2015, 20:22
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Because you think Poroshenko is popular? Nobody forgot the corruption, he is a wimp for the nationalists for not winning the war, the eastern sessesionists can see his turn righht into nato's arms and people inbetween don't see the difference between this oligarch and the other oligarchs.
No because I believe Viktor Yanukovych became unpopular.
There seemed to be a number of marches mourning the anniversary of the dead and Viktor Yanukovych departure.

There was also a demonstration in Moscow against Viktor Yanukovych's departure but many of the demonstrators seemed to be carrying anti-Gay posters so maybe they were confused
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Old 22.02.2015, 21:27
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No because I believe Viktor Yanukovych became unpopular.
The one does not exclude the other. Just because Poroshenko is a hero in western media does not mean that he is one in the eyes of real Ukrainians, west, east or anything inbetween.
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Old 22.02.2015, 22:09
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The one does not exclude the other. Just because Poroshenko is a hero in western media does not mean that he is one in the eyes of real Ukrainians, west, east or anything inbetween.
About "The one does not exclude the other" Also the one does not include the other.

I commented about Yanukovych not Poroshenko.
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Old 22.02.2015, 23:48
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Rebels in Serbia have already succeeded.

so sorry BUT
when has Serbia joined the Russian Federation ?
which seaport is in the hands of Serbia ?
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More victims and chaos...

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Speaking to Russian state media, President Vladimir Putin said he did not foresee war erupting between Russia and its neighbor Ukraine.


"I think that such an apocalyptic scenario is unlikely and I hope this will never happen," he said,
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A EU high representative?!
I have another quote for that one, it's V. Nuland, you like her. I let you guess...
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The West is finally confronting Russia with the ugly truth that Russia is militarily (and in many other ways) involved in the war in E.Ukraine.

I don't think there can be any kind of solution to this until there is an honest discussion...and how can you have any kind of an honest discussion when one side is lying in boldface? Until then, the war continues...

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BRUSSELS — The European Union included two Russian deputy defence ministers in its latest Ukraine sanctions list Monday, hitting them with travel bans and asset freezes for their role in the conflict.
The EU's Official Journal named Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov and first Deputy Minister of Defence Arkady Bakhin for supporting Russian troop deployments in Ukraine.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ters/23527227/

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(Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry replied "yes" on Tuesday when asked if Russia was lying when it said there are no Russian troops or equipment in Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists are fighting government troops.
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Old 24.02.2015, 20:44
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Lithuania has just introduced compulsory military service; getting nervous!
Really needs the Baltic states to get together.
Strangely Putin's actions seem to be pushing these states together rather than turning them towards Russia.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

A land passage to Kaliningrad doesn't seem beyond reach.
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Military officials said Lithuania will reinstate national service for five years starting in September, when it will enlist some 3,000 men, ages 19 to 27. They will serve for nine months.
The country has some 15,000 troops – down from nearly 39,000 it had before joining the alliance in 2004 – and has no military aircraft or tanks.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Meantime Russia is helping Iran...Now you can't blame them given the USA has a close relation with Saudis...oder?


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-nuclear-talks

http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-o...ran-1424703191
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Meantime Russia is helping Iran...Now you can't blame them given the USA has a close relation with Saudis...oder?


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-nuclear-talks

http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-o...ran-1424703191
That's fine I suppose, except then Russia is going against the UN resolutions that they signed, but that wouldn't be the first time they said one thing and did another

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By its resolutions 1737 (2006), 1747 (2007), 1803 (2008) and 1929 (2010), the Council adopted certain measures relating to the Islamic Republic of Iran. These measures include but are not limited to:
  • a proliferation-sensitive nuclear and ballistic missile programmes-related embargo;
  • a ban on the export/procurement of any arms and related materiel from Iran and a ban on the supply of the seven categories, as specified, of conventional weapons and related materiel to Iran;
  • a travel ban and an assets freeze on designated persons and entities. The assets freeze also applies to any individuals or entities acting on behalf of, or at the direction of, the designated persons and entities, and to entities owned or controlled by them.
http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1737/



And in an interesting twist, the UAE will soon be supplying weapons to Ukraine....

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/252223.html
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That's fine I suppose, except then Russia is going against the UN resolutions that they signed, but that wouldn't be the first time they said one thing and did another
Of course, but Russia is also financing right wing parties in Europe - Ukip in UK, Jobbik in Hu, Lega Nord in Italy, newspapers, opinion leaders, etc. (no, it's just manipulation in the last case, more accurately)
Who said this war is not equal?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Now it must be priceless to see the faces of all the communist idiots in France or Germany seeing their idol country going from extreme bloody red communist left to extreme nazi-like left with a religious spin to it. Enjoy.
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