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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russian special forces were killed and captured inside Ukraine last week. Should be interesting to see how Moscow responds. Some in the Ukrainian government are proposing a prisoner swap, the 2 Russian soldiers for Savchenko. Now Ukraine has a couple of cards to play. Since Ukrainian soldiers were also killed/injured in the fight, I suppose the Russian soldiers could go on public trial for murder and other charges...

...also interesting why Russian special forces are so close to the front-line fighting right now? Usually they spear-head the larger assaults, then pull back. Hmm...


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Ukraine's military says its forces have captured two Russian soldiers fighting with rebels in eastern Ukraine.


The troops were seized in the town of Shchastya, near the line of separation.


A video emerged apparently showing one of the soldiers - which it said were members of Russia's elite special forces - saying during questioning that he was a sergeant from the central Russian city of Togliatti.


The soldier identifies himself as Aleksandr Aleksandrov - a sergeant in the third special forces brigade.
He says he was part of a 14-member group, naming the commander and his deputies.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32776198
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Old 18.05.2015, 11:43
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Interesting that you doubt one , but not the other. Very telling.

By the way the increase in skirmishes, to call them that, has been confirmed by OSZE. They cite JCCC, a local group of russian and ukraine officers, who say the fights around Donezk were started by a push of the ukrainian "Right Sector".
Very telling....of what? I don't trust everything in the media and on the internet? Oh well, excuse me.
Anyways, I'm not Ukrainian so how can I know better than the Ukrainians themselves. I don't suffer from Russophobia (quite the contrary), neither from blind pro-Americanism...but facts are facts and we should try to make some light around this issue.
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Old 20.05.2015, 16:18
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The two Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine have given video statements detailing their activities, commanders, etc., and have received visits by IIRC and OSCE to confirm their well-being.

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"I got professional medical aid, surgery," said one of the men, who identified himself as Yevgeny Yerofeyev (pictured), a captain in the Russian army. "To my relatives, I want to say everything is fine with me, I'm alive and well."

Ukrainian authorities on Tuesday released interrogation videos in which the two say they were part of a force of about 200 men contracted to provide the Russian General Staff with information.

In video statements, both say they are members of an army brigade based in the Russian city of Togliatti and had been deployed in Ukraine for more than a month on a reconnaissance mission.
http://www.dw.de/ukraine-shows-off-c...ers/a-18462410

Russia meanwhile has maintained their mantra of "there are no Russian forces in Ukraine", thereby effectively hanging these two (and many other) soldiers out to dry.

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Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said, "Russian nationals Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev captured by Ukraine’s Security Service in the Luhansk Region at the time of their detention on May 17 were not on active service in the Russian Armed Forces."
http://tass.ru/en/world/795790
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Old 21.05.2015, 12:35
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

This could be an interesting turn in events.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/putin-...on-hold-2015-5
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

“It appears that the position of just denying there are Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine cannot last any longer”

Putin has just signed a new law making it a crime with 8 years imprisonment to speak, write or talk about Russian army deaths and any related topics.
More interesting than what the law actually says is how will it be used?
To refuse to pay benefits to the family of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

What pay? It just so happens that they had all quitted before and weren't Russian soldiers at the moment of death.
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What pay? It just so happens that they had all quitted before and weren't Russian soldiers at the moment of death.
Strange army where you are allowed to quit at a moment's notice.
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Old 29.05.2015, 12:26
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russia seems to have deployed mobile creamatoriums in Ukraine to get rid of their former soldiers. I guess they are getting tired of having investigative media showing pictures of Russian soldiers graves

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“The Russians are trying to hide their casualties by taking mobile crematoriums with them,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry told me. “They are trying to hide not only from the world but from the Russian people their involvement.” Thornberry said he had seen evidence of the crematoriums from both U.S. and Ukrainian sources.
http://www.bloombergview.com/article...ine-aggression



Pretty soon even Russian soldiers will believe themselves that they don't exist....

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Latest OSCE report shows more Russian soldiers in E:Ukraine, as well as use of child soldiers among pro-Russians:

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In the village (Petrivske, “DPR”-controlled Ukraine) the SMM spoke to two women, both wearing military uniforms, with caps with Russian Federation Armed Forces insignia. They said that they were from Kramatorsk. During the conversation with the two women a vehicle with Russian Federation number plates stopped next to the OSCE vehicles and two armed men, similarly dressed, exited the car and ordered the women to stop the conversation with the SMM. Behind a tall fence inside the holiday camp, the SMM observed one infantry fighting vehicle.

At a checkpoint on the outskirts of “DPR”-controlled Makiivka (10km east of Donetsk), the SMM observed a child, approximately 12-14 years old, wearing a camouflage uniform and holding an AK-47 rifle.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/160931
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The ceasefire is over... the war is back. The Ukrainian army is shelling Donetsk. When is this going to end???
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Old 03.06.2015, 21:52
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The ceasefire is over... the war is back. The Ukrainian army is shelling Donetsk. When is this going to end???
Both sides are violating the ceasefire; look at the OCSE reports here.
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Both sides are violating the ceasefire; look at the OCSE reports here.
I know Marton, the "small" violations have been going on all the time... Now the tanks and heavy weapons are back on the border and heavy shelling resumed. The truce seems to be over.

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Old 03.06.2015, 23:18
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The Ukrainian president has warned that Russia could soon attempt to stage an invasion, as the two nations are in the midst of a “real war”.



Petro Poroshenko made the worrying suggestion after four Ukrainian servicemen were killed when fighting erupted between Russian-backed separatists on Tuesday.

The president told BBC News that he believes Russia will attempt an "offensive" in the summer months.


“I think we should be ready and I think that we do not give them any tiny chance for provocation. That will totally be their responsibility,” he said.

Mr Poroshenko told the BBC: "Can I be absolutely clear with you this is not a fight with Russian-backed separatists, this is a real war with Russia.
"The fact that we captured...Russian regular special forces soldiers [is] strong evidence of that."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10264935.html


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When is this going to end???
Ask Russian President Vladimir Putin to close the Russian border with Ukraine so tanks and fighters stop entering Ukraine, and the war will be over very quickly. Until then it continues....
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Altho all the action is going on in the East of Ukraine, keep an eye on Transnistria on the South-West (another unrecognized pseudo-state occupied by Russian soldiers to keep them in Russia's "orbit").

Ukraine and Moldova have refused Russia to transport soldiers over their country (as was done in the past), so Russia is reduced to having to air-lift them in and is angry about that. Ukraine has beefed up security along the border and changed all the political heads in the area.

http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2015/0...ia-flashpoint/




Also, Russia seems to be fearing a revolution within their own country, maybe even when elections take place this September:

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He added that apart from this year’s elections, opposition forces looked to Duma elections in 2016 and the 2018 presidential campaign as possible triggers for a color revolution.


"We can already now forecast with a certain degree of certainty the activity they may transform into certain ‘orange technologies’.
http://tass.ru/en/russia/798854

Some protests already in Siberia against the governments removal of theatre director is seen as a crack-down against freedom.



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The Culture Minister sided with the church, and fired the director of Russia's largest theatre, replacing him with well-known Vladimir Kekhman, also Director of the Mikhailovsky Theatre in St Petersburg, who had called for his dismissal.


Sunday's protest saw demands for the ousting of Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky as well as Kekhman, and the restoration of Mezdrich in his post. Concerns were expressed at the church's sway over the state, and threats for artistic freedom in Russia.
http://siberiantimes.com/other/other...istic-freedom/
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Altho all the action is going on in the East of Ukraine, keep an eye on Transnistria on the South-West (another unrecognized pseudo-state occupied by Russian soldiers to keep them in Russia's "orbit").

Ukraine and Moldova have refused Russia to transport soldiers over their country (as was done in the past), so Russia is reduced to having to air-lift them in and is angry about that. Ukraine has beefed up security along the border and changed all the political heads in the area.

http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2015/0...ia-flashpoint/




Also, Russia seems to be fearing a revolution within their own country, maybe even when elections take place this September:


http://tass.ru/en/russia/798854

Some protests already in Siberia against the governments removal of theatre director is seen as a crack-down against freedom.




http://siberiantimes.com/other/other...istic-freedom/
Just checked a map! Transnitria is in a terrible location.

Amusing to read a Jew claiming the way Jesus was portrayed was sacrilege, usually Jews describe Jesus as the false Messiah!
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The ceasefire is over... the war is back. The Ukrainian army is shelling Donetsk. When is this going to end???
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Both sides are violating the ceasefire; look at the OCSE reports here.
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I know Marton, the "small" violations have been going on all the time... Now the tanks and heavy weapons are back on the border and heavy shelling resumed. The truce seems to be over.
Leonie; Did you read the OSCE reports?

From today's "Despite the claims that heavy weapons have been withdrawn, the SMM observed the following movement or presence of weapons in areas that are non-compliant with the Minsk withdrawal lines. In “DPR”-controlled areas the SMM observed 12 main battle tanks (MBT T-64 and T-72) and a military type truck towing a 122mm artillery piece. In government-controlled areas the SMM observed a single MBT (T-64)."
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Well I'll be....it looks like there are Russian soldiers vacationing in Ukraine afterall. The Lugansk tourist season appears to be "booming"

https://twitter.com/Max_Bondar/statu...78606345347073



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It's so incredibly hot today I almost envy them!
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Why fighting now just before EU is about to decide whether to maintain the economic sanctions against Russia?
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