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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Seems many of the "volunteer" Russian soldiers in Ukraine want to go home but are being threatened by the Russian Government with "desertion".
So how can volunteers be deserters?
Now they are hiring lawyers! More here;
http://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/sto...nsatz-11929573
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Apologies if it has been referred to before ( not going right through the previous 70+ pages here right now to check) but "Ukrainian Diaries - Dispatches from Kiev" by Andrey Kurkov, makes interesting backgound reading of the build up of the situation between NOvember 2013, and APril 2014, from the view of one Ukarinian citizen and writer. (Pub. Harvill Secker - Penguin, Ln)
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

According to the ft the Russian Govt. is getting worried by the numbers of Russian volunteers now returning to Russia because the fighting has reduced; mainly because they want to bring their weapons with them
Link here.
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Old 27.07.2015, 16:28
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Last week Ukraine and Russia signed a deal to make a 30km DMZ between Donetsk/Lugansk and Ukraine in an effort to stop the year-long "low-intensity" conflict and turn it more into a "frozen conflict".

It seems these areas (Donetsk/Lughansk) will most likely not be re-integrated into Ukraine and probably not taken into Russia either, and will remain as another unrecognized enclave along Russia's borders.

Since Ukraine has stopped economic relations with Donetsk/Lughansk a while ago, it will be Russia who will continue to foot the bill for these areas.

http://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-agrees-...one/a-18600438
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Last week Ukraine and Russia signed a deal to make a 30km DMZ between Donetsk/Lugansk and Ukraine in an effort to stop the year-long "low-intensity" conflict and turn it more into a "frozen conflict".

It seems these areas (Donetsk/Lughansk) will most likely not be re-integrated into Ukraine and probably not taken into Russia either, and will remain as another unrecognized enclave along Russia's borders.

Since Ukraine has stopped economic relations with Donetsk/Lughansk a while ago, it will be Russia who will continue to foot the bill for these areas.

http://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-agrees-...one/a-18600438

Let us hope this reduces the death toll and is a sign that the Russians have given up the idea of military intervention to make a road bridge to Crimea.
Not sure how good an idea a road bridge would be anyway as the Ukrainians could shell it at any time from 30 to 90 Km distance.


Russians claim to have started the Kerch Strait bridge in May but not much information; It does not show up on Google Earth yet.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Interesting read on the stalemate in E.Ukraine:
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...states/399785/

In short:

-Russia is trying to force the pro-Russian Donbass to stay in Ukraine as a way to influence Kiev decision-making

-The US/EU wants Russia's cooperation in Iran and Syria, so is putting some pressure on Kiev to meet some of Russia's demands half-way

-Kiev is half-heartedly doing that but putting vague wordings about "special status" in constitutional amendments, that anyway won't be ratified until end of the year



I'm not sure why Kiev just doesn't let the Donbass go. That would force Russia's hand, as Russia is banking on a dysfunctional Donbass to remain inside Ukraine. I know right-wing Ukrainians insist on fighting for Donbass and kicking the Russians back to Russia, but they are a minority. Most moderate Ukrainians would probably be happy if the Donbass was just let go or handed over to Russia and cut the losses there. But pretty much nobody in Ukraine wants to see the current Donbass leadership legitimized in any way.


Despite the mess Ukraine is in right now, I would say Ukraine is probably winning the war against Russia due to:

1) They stopped the "Novyrussia" idea of making a land-bridge from Russia to Crimea or Odessa via all of Southern Ukraine

2) They have not allowed the Donbass leaders to be legitimized or have influence in the rest of Ukraine.

3) Most of Ukraine recognizes Putin as the cause of the war and has spun out of Russia's orbit and has become more pro-EU than ever.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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3) Most of Ukraine recognizes Putin as the cause of the war and has spun out of Russia's orbit and has become more pro-EU than ever.
Well then the Russians from Ukraine shouldn't be worried anymore because respecting minority rights is one of the conditions that must be fulfilled in order to become an E.U. member. (and it's non-negotiable, see Turkey and the kurds, albeit is only one of the reasons for which Turkey won't become a member...any time soon)
How do they say it? Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 29.07.2015, 12:00
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Well then the Russians from Ukraine shouldn't be worried anymore because respecting minority rights is one of the conditions that must be fulfilled in order to become an E.U. member.
Can you explain what you mean exactly what you mean when you say minority rights are currently being violated in Ukraine?
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Can you explain what you mean exactly what you mean when you say minority rights are currently being violated in Ukraine?
They surely don't meet the E.U. standards for the moment. It's the same in Serbia, which by the way just started the negotiation process with the E.U. They'll have to comply too...anyway that's the last thing Ukraine can/should think of at this moment. Negotiations with E.U. will last for years, decade(s) even and there will be some standard prerequisites. Nothing tragic, all new E.U. members have been through it.
P.S. Ukraine situation is not similar with Turkey, mea culpa for mentioning it in this context.
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Old 29.07.2015, 12:28
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Who do you mean by "minority"? The Tatars in Crimea were treated very well by Ukraine. If you mean Russian-speakers, that's not quite a minority, probably half the country speaks Russian, and they are not generally discriminated against. I've been to Ukraine many times to visit my (Russian speaking) family there, and can't really think of any kind of discrimination that I saw or experienced.

...in any case, I don't see Ukraine joining either the EU or NATO for a long time, if ever. Not because they can/can't reach any EU standards (if Romania met EU standards, I'm sure Ukraine can), but more because the West will seek some kind of compromise with Russia...political horse trading...and that will keep Ukraine out of EU and NATO...
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Who do you mean by "minority"? The Tatars in Crimea were treated very well by Ukraine. If you mean Russian-speakers, that's not quite a minority, probably half the country speaks Russian, and they are not generally discriminated against. I've been to Ukraine many times to visit my (Russian speaking) family there, and can't really think of any kind of discrimination that I saw or experienced.

...in any case, I don't see Ukraine joining either the EU or NATO for a long time, if ever. Not because they can/can't reach any EU standards (if Romania met EU standards, I'm sure Ukraine can), but more because the West will seek some kind of compromise with Russia...political horse trading...and that will keep Ukraine out of EU and NATO...
Ha ha, right.
Anyway, I meant, for instance, the Romanian/Moldovan minority living in South-Western Ukraine. (I have some relatives there and know exactly what I'm talking about) Btw, Romania meets those minority standards better than any new member, actually, if you care to inform yourself.
But as I said, these things could be improved if there's enough political will, Ukraine's neighbours want Ukraine to be part of E.U./Nato etc.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

A Russian Major was captured delivering a truckload of ammunition to pro-Russian fighters in Ukraine:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv...er-394553.html
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A Russian Major was captured delivering a truckload of ammunition to pro-Russian fighters in Ukraine:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv...er-394553.html
Oh come on; he was simply on holiday with his truck full of munitions
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

LOL, current headline from Russia's state news...

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July 29, 20:00 UTC+3
http://tass.ru/en/world/811526

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Oh come on; he was simply on holiday with his truck full of munitions
Actually, he did get lost...but he was already in Lugansk and driving the truck from one part to another and took a wrong turn....





http://lugansk-news.com/russian-army...-full-of-ammo/

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

They also say that some of the weapons were identified as OG-7V fragmentation grenades. These type of grenades for RPG-7 grenade launchers are manufactured in Russia since 1999 and have never been exported to Ukraine. This is another proof that current Russian military weaponry is used in Ukraine.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russia has sent it's 34th convoy of trucks to supply Donetsk since the war began. In addition to grocery deliveries, Russia is also paying pensions there in Russian Rubles) as well as supplying free gas, electricity, etc....and of course all those new Russian tanks and weapons that "magically" appear from nowhere...

Considering Russia is having a financial crisis of their own, it begs the question how long Russia can continue to fund Donetsk?

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In fact, Russia does not have enough money left to feed itself: on Wednesday, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev admitted that there was no money left in Russia’s budget to support 94 so-called "crisis cities" dependent on single industries; about 19 million Russians live in these one-factory towns now without support programs.

Since Ukraine has stopped all economic interaction with the Russian-held areas earlier this year, these areas are 100% under defacto Russian control. The rest of Ukraine is being funded by the IMF, and the IMF seems very pleased at the progress in reforms that Kiev is making so far:

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"Ukraine has been an incredibly encouraging situation," she said in an online press conference. "We have seen political determination to change the face of Ukraine," despite the ongoing war with pro-Moscow rebels occupying large parts of the country's east.


"The Ukrainian authorities have actually delivered," she said, showing "very strong political deliberation" as they tackle challenges "on all fronts."
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russian soldiers seem to be openly admitting their presence in Ukraine, telling OSCE monitors directly so they put it in their reports.

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The SMM found that all weapons previously recorded at three “DPR” sites were in situ. An armed man guarding the facility at one of the sites claimed that he and those present at the site were part of the 16th airborne brigade from Orenburg, Russian Federation. They did not wear identifying insignia.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Now that Donestsk airport is back in the hands of the Russians, it's nice to see things are getting normalized there....





https://belsat.eu/en/articles/half-n...hansk-airport/
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World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Must be some New Russians (nouveau riche).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Russians
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Sure but I do not understand what changed? Why do the "Russians" in Crimea now need protection when it all worked OK for a quarter century?
Because even just a few year ago a Russian person didn't risk being attacked on the street for speaking Russian
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