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Who knows what's happening there...I see almost no news related to Ukraine. At least not anymore. The US ambassadors in various European countries started to practice a double game, it's obvious we assist (helplessly) at yet another deal between the powers that be.
A part of Ukraine for a part of Syria?
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From a friend in Kiev.

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DONETSK, August 26. /ITAR-TASS/. The prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Alexander Zakharchenko, has vowed that the DPR will not remain a territory of Ukraine under any circumstance.

“Federalization does not suit us,” Zakharchenko said.

He said the DPR now saw only one possible option — its total independence from Ukraine.
The "Minsk Agreements" have been dead for some time now, and the only other option was for Donetsk/Lugansk to become another frozen-conflict Russian proxy state, not officially recognized by anyone except Russia (See Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia)

I guess it's best for everyone (meaning Russia and Ukraine). For the people who live in these war-torn no-mans-lands, I guess life is hard and miserable. But that's how Russia "protects" russian-speakers abroad Well, I guess if pro-Russians would have managed to seize the whole Southern Ukraine (like Putin was trying to do after Crimea) but project "NovyRussia" didn't go as Putin hoped. So now that Russia has Crimea, and Donetsk/Lughansk will most likely soon be frozen conflicts, maybe this ugly chapter of history can draw to some kind of close soon? Of course Cold War 2 is still not going anywhere anytime soon......
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The "Minsk Agreements" have been dead for some time now, and the only other option was for Donetsk/Lugansk to become another frozen-conflict Russian proxy state, not officially recognized by anyone except Russia (See Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia)

I guess it's best for everyone (meaning Russia and Ukraine). For the people who live in these war-torn no-mans-lands, I guess life is hard and miserable. But that's how Russia "protects" russian-speakers abroad Well, I guess if pro-Russians would have managed to seize the whole Southern Ukraine (like Putin was trying to do after Crimea) but project "NovyRussia" didn't go as Putin hoped. So now that Russia has Crimea, and Donetsk/Lughansk will most likely soon be frozen conflicts, maybe this ugly chapter of history can draw to some kind of close soon? Of course Cold War 2 is still not going anywhere anytime soon......
Basic problem is that Donetsk/Lugansk area need a lot of industrial investment to become economically viable plus the huge cost of repairing "freedom fighting" damage.
Donetsk "International" Airport alone will require multi millions to make it usable again.

I do not see Russia pumping in sufficient funds and nobody else will lend them money while the situation is so unstable.

There were rumours that Russia would restart the conflict to build a land bridge to Crimea but soon winter will start and make that difficult?

Meanwhile Donbass that was in 2012 labelled by Forbes as the best Ukraine city for business is now deep in recession.
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Basic problem is that Donetsk/Lugansk area need a lot of industrial investment to become economically viable plus the huge cost of repairing "freedom fighting" damage.
Donetsk "International" Airport alone will require multi millions to make it usable again.

I do not see Russia pumping in sufficient funds and nobody else will lend them money while the situation is so unstable.

There were rumours that Russia would restart the conflict to build a land bridge to Crimea but soon winter will start and make that difficult?

Meanwhile Donbass that was in 2012 labelled by Forbes as the best Ukraine city for business is now deep in recession.
Donetsk was doing alright pre-2014. They hosted Euro 2012 football, had Ukraine's best hockey team, had a nice new modern airport. Now they live in some unrecognized land, strewn with bomb craters and ruled by warlords. Good luck finding someone there who will say they are better off now than 2 years ago.

Russia is propping up Donbass, not just militarily, but they send "humanitarian" convoys of supplies of food, books, ammunition, etc. (over 50x since 2014). That's another reason Russia was trying to get Donbass "re-integrated" with Ukraine, not just for the political leverage inside Ukraine, but also because Russia is getting tired of paying for everything there. Ukraine won't pay for Donbass until Ukraine has political control, which is unlikely to ever happen, so there was no other solution there but to make frozen conflict states there.

There won't be any "land route" from Russia to Crimea. That ship has sailed. Russia is already building the bridge over the Kerch, and is trying hard to get sanctions lifted and get some Western money flowing their way. Plus they saw the lackluster response by locals in Southern Ukraine to pro-Russian initiatives, and the anti-Russian sentiment there has only grown stronger as the war went on. I think Donbass has shown to be a very vivid reminder to all Russian speakers outside Russia of what "Russian protection" looks like
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Ukraine rebels accuse Kiev over death of commander 'Motorola'. Russian-born Arsen Pavlov, nicknamed "Motorola", was killed by a bomb blast in the lift of his apartment block on Sunday, in the city of Donetsk.

Motorola commanded a rebel battalion called Sparta, which took part in major offensives against Ukrainian government forces at Donetsk airport and Ilovaisk.

Probably one of those murders that will never be solved; too many different factions with their own agendas and propaganda are involved.

Strange how many of these rebel commanders are Russian born.

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Same for the victims or Euromaidan, not one sniper was even accused let alone convicted. But I guess that's Ok even though the new government illegally overthrew the old one as they're pro-west.

Google "the masks of the revolution" for an interesting documentary (playtime a bit less than an hour).
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The leader of the pro-Russian "DPR" promises to kill families of Ukrainian soldiers in their homes. How can anyone actually say these people are not terrorists?

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vowed to retaliate against members of Ukraine's military and security services, as well as their families.

"All officers, lieutenant colonels, majors who operate on our territory, all your agents, families, are beyond the law as of now. Not only here but in Zhytomyr, Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk," Zakharchenko told a press conference in Donetsk, listing cities that are under government control. "And I would add: when we come to your home, there will be no mercy towards you, believe me."
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Ukrainian security services have detained two Russian soldiers near the border with Crimea, with Ukraine saying the men were deserters from the Ukrainian army detained on Ukrainian-controlled territory and Russia saying they were seized in Crimea.

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Hope this is not heating up again!
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Finally, on December 29, Mikhail Khazin, a Russian economist, TV anchor, columnist and former member of the presidential administration, suggested that Ukraine be divided between Poland and Russia.
In the Russian area corresponding to Ukraine’s southeast, Moscow should effectively ban Ukrainian language and culture. The Russian-occupied north of Ukraine, which includes the provinces of Kiev, Sumy and Chernihiv, would be transformed into an agricultural hinterland stripped of industry and armed forces. The “excess population” would be deported to the Russian Far East.
Unfortunately, says Khazin, there may be “several million people that cannot be reformed.” What should Russia do with them? His answer: “They need to be partly terminated, and partly expelled.”
What is especially terrifying is the matter-of-fact manner in which these statements were made. Mass killings, aerial bombardments, ethnic cleansing and genocide are, evidently, perfectly respectable options.
http://europe.newsweek.com/putin-pre...e-538615?rm=eu

The topics being regularly discussed on Russian TV is getting pretty disturbing. Maybe after Russia pulls some troops out of Syria, they will re-deploy them to Ukraine? With Trump coming to the White House in about a week, it's a new ball game...
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Ukraine has filed a case against Russia at the United Nations' highest court, accusing Moscow of illegally annexing Crimea and illicitly funding separatist rebel groups in eastern Ukraine.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Brave people marching in Moscow today in memory of Boris Nemstov who was murdered two years in sight of the Kremlin.

Strangely although Putin personally led the investigation nobody was found guilty of the crime.

There were some suspects;
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

In the last week Russia has declared they will be the first (and only) country in the world to recognize documents (eg. passports) issued by the occupied pro-Russian "DNR/LNR" territories. The LNR also announced they will start officially using Russian Rubles as their currency.

Looks like the Donbass is going the same way as the rest of the territories Russia took from neighboring countries. I guess there was no other way for it to turn out. These territories would never be able to be re-integrated into Ukraine, and anyway the cost of re-building is going to be enormous. Guess it's better if the "you broke it, you bought it" policy kicks in here and Russia pays the bill and keeps the territory it destroyed. Kind of sad for everyone, but Russian stories always seem to have tragic endings.
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There is a “great probability” that Moscow will take over the Donbass region in eastern Ukraine, Poland’s Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski said Wednesday during a visit to Kyiv, Radio Poland reported.

Waszczykowski warned Russia is already issuing identity cards and passports, seizing Ukrainian property and cutting the eastern region off from the rest of the country.
http://www.politico.eu/article/polis...annex-donbass/

Interesting if Russia would annex Donbass directly with a Crimea-like "referendum". I was expecting it to remain a frozen conflict. Hmmm. I wounder how the EU/US would respond? More statements of "concern" and some token sanctions?

...or maybe Russia will start an all-out war with Ukraine?

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Russian "DNR" militants commander Zaharchenko live to Russian State TV: "there will be no Ukraine in 60 days"
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THE FALSIFICATION OF HISTORY: ”UKRAINE" IS NOT A COUNTRY
«Ukraine has degenerated from a Russian/Soviet region into an American colony.

The territory currently called Ukraine has never been a state or a country, nor will it ever be. It was always a part of another, real country or, even more frequently, divided between other real states such as Poland, Austria, Hungary, Turkey, and most importantly Russia. Of course, according to the Kiev Nazi junta...[read more
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Denis Voronenkov: ex-Russian MP who fled to Ukraine killed in Kiev.

Vladimir Putin’s spokesman dismisses claims that Moscow is linked to the killing of Kremlin critic who left Russia last year and renounced citizenship.

Kiev’s head of police said Voronenkov, who had been granted Ukrainian citizenship after he fled in 2016, was shot three or four times in the head and neck and died at the scene.

A firefight broke out between Voronenkov’s bodyguard, believed to have been provided by the Ukrainian security services, and the assassin. Both were wounded and taken to hospital, where the assassin died a few hours later.

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It is just over two years since Boris Nemtsov, former Russia deputy prime minister, was gunned down near Kremlin before taking part in march against Russian war in Ukraine.

Despite an investigation personally led by Putin and the area ringed by CCTV cameras there was never anybody found guilty of the assassination.
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A US member of the OSCE was killed today when their SUV hit a land-mine in a pro-Russian area in Lughansk. I think it's high-time to get UN peacekeepers in there. Ukraine had asked for them already 2 years ago but requests were always vetoed by Russia

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"The conflict parties must also finally implement the long-agreed ceasefire," Merkel said in a statement. "And there, the Russia-supported separatists, who are illegally and violently occupying parts of Ukrainian territory bear a particular responsibility."

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A US member of the OSCE was killed today when their SUV hit a land-mine in a pro-Russian area in Lughansk. I think it's high-time to get UN peacekeepers in there. Ukraine had asked for them already 2 years ago but requests were always vetoed by Russia

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uk...-idUSKBN17P0CZ
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Brave people marching in Moscow today in memory of Boris Nemstov who was murdered two years in sight of the Kremlin.

Strangely although Putin personally led the investigation nobody was found guilty of the crime.

There were some suspects;
Nemtsov family dismisses verdict as five found guilty of [Nemtov] murder.
Relatives of prominent Putin critic shot outside Kremlin in 2015 say those who ordered killing have not been brought to justice.

During the trial the court heard that Dadayev had agreed to kill Nemtsov in exchange for payment of 15m roubles. He then assembled a team of men who rented a flat in Moscow and began surveillance of the politician.

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