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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Let me let you in on a secret: Shooting at fighters in a war zone is legal.
Unless you got no business being there in the first place.

I do agree though that we digress.
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Unless you got no business being there in the first place..
Moving the goalposts much ? the just cause of the war has nothing to do with the rules of war.

Obama didn't support Ukraine when Russia invaded Crimea & supported rebels in the east. Time will tell if it was wise policy.

Russia kills civilans as policy, yet no outcry.
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Any and all.
Then, no, I don't believe any or all of his lies. Why should I?
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You're saying sym-/antipathy is the reason for his decisions. Consequentially BO must have hated bin Laden, Iraqi and Yemenites as the drones murdered multiple thousands there.

Nope, doesn't compute.
I never thought about Obama's Middle East policy like that, but now that you spin it that way, I guess it could be packaged and sold as such. So why exactly was Obama so anti-Muslim?

But there's plenty of Middle East threads alredy, let's get back to neglected Ukraine, shall we? And Trump. If he is buddies with Putin, as the news keeps telling us every day, why is he now sending arms to Ukraine to kill Putin's soldiers there? As you say "does not compute"
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Change of policy.
The US is going to provide anti-tank weapons to Ukraine, a senior State Department official told CNN.

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Ukraine was one of the countries absent during the UN voting on the US Jerusalem decision.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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The leader of a Kremlin-backed separatist republic in war-torn eastern Ukraine has been killed in a blast that tore through a cafe close to his official residence in Donetsk.

Alexander Zakharchenko, 42, was named prime minister of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) in November 2014.
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Blame is being assigned to the Ukraine Govt. or to the Russian Govt. and to all points in between!!
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Old 31.08.2018, 22:37
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Blame is being assigned to the Ukraine Govt. or to the Russian Govt. and to all points in between!!
My guess is that Ukraine operatives got him, which would mean Russians will retaliate and kill some Ukrainian General or something.


...or could be that Putin wants a change and took him out to put someone new in. Putin is getting kind of fed up with the situation there. He was expecting it to be a frozen conflict by now with the new "Peoples Republics" to be "autonomous" areas like all the other places Russia has bit off from their neighbors (like South Ossetia). But Ukraine hasn't given in and keeps fighting now for the 4th year already (!) I don't think Putin or anyone else expected it to last so long. It is wearing on everyone, but good for Ukraine to stand up to Russia's bullying of their neighbors.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Somebody should check this one's head too....he seems to be in a mystical crisis or something...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/putin-...8-10?r=US&IR=T

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Maybe the medicines are not effective anymore, otherwise he'd continue to go to church two times a year (for Easter and Christmas) like a good Orthodox Christian.......
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Somebody should check this one's head too....he seems to be in a mystical crisis or something...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/putin-...8-10?r=US&IR=T



Maybe the medicines are not effective anymore, otherwise he'd continue to go to church two times a year (for Easter and Christmas) like a good Orthodox Christian.......
We are not the target audience for his propaganda.
Most propaganda sounds weird to outsiders.
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Old 21.10.2018, 22:51
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Martyrs? Putin needs to stop hanging out with his Syrian pal Assad, seems to be a bad influence
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We are not the target audience for his propaganda.
Most propaganda sounds weird to outsiders.
I don't know who's the target audience for his propaganda. The Russian people I know are educated and would laugh their butts off at this maniac. Some village folks who have only a couple of things left - religion and vodka?* Probably, though I doubt that most do care. Maybe the pals he's "hanging out" with, as he started to sound like a mullah....but then again, I think there's a competition between them - who sounds weirder! Erdogan is also happily joining the club, as his greatest wish is to probably turn Turkey into something similar to Iran. Anyway, imagine to (practically) have these guys as neighbours..... Not that funny anymore, as their propaganda is active on multiple fronts and it's quite varied and subtle. The weird, almost comical stuff is only for the local weirdos and certain allies.
*then again, when they amount to a critical mass it's quite tragic for the results in elections. Power to the people!

@Esto, what's new on the Eastern front? I rarely read anything about what's going on in Ukraine these days.

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Actually, I think the target audience for Puti's bizzare remarks is not his own people, but rather for the people in Washington, as Trump is preparing to pull out of a nuclear arms pact, so I'm guessing Puti wants to rattle his sabre and scare them a little.
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Actually, I think the target audience for Puti's bizzare remarks is not his own people, but rather for the people in Washington, as Trump is preparing to pull out of a nuclear arms pact, so I'm guessing Puti wants to rattle his sabre and scare them a little.
Well yeah, then he succeeded. Sounding like a suicidal mujahideen scares the shit out of all of us....
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@Esto, what's new on the Eastern front? I rarely read anything about what's going on in Ukraine these days.
Regarding the war in the Donbass, it's the same now for several years, which is a "warm frozen conflict", meaning, they still launch some attacks on each other daily, with maybe a few people killed or injured on each side every week. But neither side making any real advancements. Just more to say "F--k You" to the other side. I guess like Isreal/Palestine if you want to compare it to something.



Generally speaking, the language is becoming an issue again. Ukraine is trying to make the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine to speak only Ukrainian, but that's not really a good idea, IMHO. Latvia and Estonia are also taking some steps to move the language of school instruction away from Russian and more to Latvian/Estonian. Which is not so radical, as these are smaller countries and even most educated Russian speakers there understand the importance of knowing the local language, and teaching it to kids. But Ukraine, half the country speaks pretty much only Russian, so to suddenly tell the whole group of them, young and old alike, to suddenly speak only Ukrainian is a bit unrealistic. Anyway, I don't think either Ukraine or Russian side wants any repeat of Donbass, so I don't think there will be any new fighting. But Russia is pushing politically and in other "hybrid" ways against their neighbors regarding the language topic that they are not happy about.
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And the Orthodox schism is looming. Who would think an atheistic empire would retool to use religion.
Poor Western communists, must feel betrayed seeing their role model abandoning the path of enlightenment.
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And the Orthodox schism is looming. Who would think an atheistic empire would retool to use religion.
Poor Western communists, must feel betrayed seeing their role model abandoning the path of enlightenment.
Russian Orthodox schism, to be exact. They broke all their relations with the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, a movement like this didn't happen since 1054....that tells something. ;-(
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And the Orthodox schism is looming. Who would think an atheistic empire would retool to use religion.
Poor Western communists, must feel betrayed seeing their role model abandoning the path of enlightenment.

I wouldn't really look at it that way. I see it that religion is "political" in the sense it's about money, power and controlling people. And this break from the Russians in religion is similar to that of language and other things they are doing to distance themselves from Russia as much as possible.

Anyone who knows East EU / Russian history and politics knows how complicated the past is there. In the past the Russians went into neighbor countries and built churches and imported Russian-speakers in attempts to "Russify" these lands. Look at Tallinn for example, there they built a huge church (Alexander Nevsky) right across the street from the Parliament building and tower "Pikk Hermann" where the main symbolic Estonian national flag flies...or whoever is owning/occupying Estonia at the current time. This was done in 1900 during imperial Russian occupation. Estonians today see the Russian onion-dome as a reminder/symbol of occupation of a foreign culture/country. Yet, if Estonia knocks a church down, and deports Russian-speakers, then they will be just as ugly as their Russian occupiers were. Pretty tricky these Russians

Alexandr Nevsky church built by Russians about 50m away from the Estonian Parliament building and tower flying main symbolic Estonian flag.

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I wouldn't really look at it that way. I see it that religion is "political" in the sense it's about money, power and controlling people. And this break from the Russians in religion is similar to that of language and other things they are doing to distance themselves from Russia as much as possible.

Anyone who knows East EU / Russian history and politics knows how complicated the past is there. In the past the Russians went into neighbor countries and built churches and imported Russian-speakers in attempts to "Russify" these lands.
Mais oui, they always fantasised about being the legitimate successors of Byzantium - they "were" the Third Rome....non? Remember?
I don't have anything against anyone's fantasies as long as they don't ignore and don't try to re-create the history.
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I wouldn't really look at it that way. I see it that religion is "political" in the sense it's about money, power and controlling people. And this break from the Russians in religion is similar to that of language and other things they are doing to distance themselves from Russia as much as possible.]
Certainly in the orthodox/Russian case it is only politics that is left.

But this empire, at communist times (remember it is the same state, the same institutions, and the same people), set to eradicate all religions and mass-killed clergy to the applause of many Western idiots.

The icon of it was the barbaric blowing up of the cathedral of Christ the Saviour Wikipedia reference-link Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour:


And politics again - when Poland regained independency after WWI, some iconic Russian church building erected before were dismantled, e.g. Wikipedia reference-linkAlexander_Nevsky_Cathedral,_Warsaw
But well, thankfully at least in central Poland they didn't manage to settle too many Russian speakers.
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Certainly in the orthodox/Russian case it is only politics that is left.

But this empire, at communist times (remember it is the same state, the same institutions, and the same people), set to eradicate all religions and mass-killed clergy to the applause of many Western idiots.

The icon of it was the barbaric blowing up of the cathedral of Christ the Saviour Wikipedia reference-link Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour:

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The destruction of churches and persecution of the religious elite was part of the program. Unfortunately there were enough individuals among the clergy eager to fetch power and functions who collaborated with those regimes, leaving some deep, deep issues both within the respective churches but also within those congregations. The soviets imagined a plan which didn't leave any freedom, any place of refuge. Confessions could have been "shared" and there was no safe space for anyone. Whatever the church meant for a nation was totally twisted and torn to pieces back then, for decades. The clergy who was imprisoned and died in communist prisons left a spiritual void. Everything we see now it's just a sequel.
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Russian authorities closed off the Kerch Strait Sunday amid a confrontation with Ukrainian naval vessels, Russian state news agencies and the Ukrainian military said.

The Kerch Strait links the Azov Sea with the Black Sea.

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Too much to hope for that it would stay quiet!
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