World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
 

Russia's Black Sea Fleet has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 3am or face a military assault.

One of the few time I agree with Merkel "Vladimir Putin has lost the plot, says German chancellor, Angela Merkel describes Russian president as 'out of touch with reality' after urging him to back down from Crimea occupation"

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- BBC

Hell if anyone knows what is even happening now, not to mention what will happen tomorrow.

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This is point where I generally check a map to find out how far I'm away from whatever's brewing.

Not quite far enough is the answer this time.

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Given the fact that Britain and the US signed a treaty in 1994 pledging to protect Ukraine and all its borders in return for giving up nuclear weapons...seems like there could be a big problem ahead.

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Yeah. Hopefully, we will not get to see how much those words are worth.

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Maybe they'll find a way to get Putin back to the negotiating table, then let him take Ukraine anyway.

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Apparently most of the Ukraine's military in Crimea has switched sides and now are with the Russians.

I can't blame the Russians for wanting to protect Crimea and its majority of Russian citizen.

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/...72050822_n.jpg

What's funny is that modern Ukraine has territories that were never Ukrainian at all, so hard to keep it together as it seems.

http://i.imgur.com/gkRUNpe.jpg


Where as the West should honestly STFU as they seem to have very short memory

http://i.imgur.com/0IrmEYc.jpg

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About "I can't blame the Russians for wanting to protect Crimea and its majority of Russian citizen. "

Protect from what exactly?
Ukraine has been independent (including Crimea) for nearly a quarter century.

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I think he meant to say "I can't blame Russia for exploiting the current situation to extend its power and military footprint."

If they really wanted to protect Russian citizens, they could probably start with gay people and political dissidents on the mainland.

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Like Hitler and Sudetenland you mean?

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That applies to the NATO in the exact same way. Humiliating Russia is in itself an understandable goal from an atlantist perspective, but one can't blame Russia for reacting to it. Try financing an antiamerican revolution in the Caribean area, you'll see what happens.... oh wait, That's Cuba. :D

Putin is putting himself in a strong position for whatever comes. Russians want to negociate with inferiors, same technics as the Americans. They all learn with the same books.

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Britain, once had a treaty with Poland, too, many years ago.

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Yea right Hahahahaha:rolleyes:

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Fundamental issue: Russian speaking population in Crimea are Russians, the other Russian speaking in Ukraine are Ukrainians who happen to speak russian. Citizenship and nationality are distinct in the ex-soviet area. Post soviet Russia accepted a very nice compromise with Kiev: Crimea is ukrenian, but with large autonomy as a region and kept distinction between Russians in Ukraine and Ukrainians speaking russian. Not all the same over there...

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Americans are utterly exhaused after nearly 25 years of fake wars and chasing our tails in the desert and Africa. in other words, there will be absolutely zero US involvement in Ukraine's situation with Russia beyond the usual "talks" and "diplomacy". which is fine by me, we could use a couple of decades of isolationism, let Russia continue on the inevitable path it is already on.

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Sure but I do not understand what changed? Why do the "Russians" in Crimea now need protection when it all worked OK for a quarter century?

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merkel should be more concerned about theme here :eek: https://libcom.org/news/neo-nazis-fa...raine-23012014

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Look at post #17:msnsarcastic:

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I do not really understand the relevance of this cartoon? Ukraine had a successful "Arab Spring" type revolution which is now threatened by the Russian military marching in? Which of the other countries had anything similar? And what is the relevance of Pakistan? :)

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here pashosh groan this ,from your own news paper ;)http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577114