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Do they all have one as elaborate as this? This is way more than just a computer to play on at home as you describe it. Still, it may or may not mean anything. It is all speculation at this point and the simulator could be another red herring.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...simulator.html
I've seen rigs almost as elaborate as this to just play BF4. Some gamers go over the top, just a tiny bit .
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Its a very basic sim. Someone I know has a wrap around screen with 3 projector units a full console and real screens and instrumentation and an air operated moving seat.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

I can't help thinking that the sucker was remote controlled. Let's just assume for a minute that Boeing builds a hidden remote into their planes that the US government has access to in case of terror attacks. Somebody could have hacked it. Imagine what this would mean for the aviation industry if it became public ...
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

Was wondering if this recent scientific discovery might be relevant to the report about a 'seismic event' underneath the flight path, but it apparently wasn't a seismic zone and they were referring to a tremor possibly caused by a crashed plane:

Clue to earthquake lightning mystery
"shifting soil layers ... generate huge electrical charge...
There isn't a mechanism I know that can explain this. It seems to be new physics....If it occurs along geological faultlines, sliding and cracking of soil grains could be generating millions of volts of electrostatic charge."
Chinese scientists observe 'seismic event' on sea floor
"A team of seismologists at one of China's top universities said they had detected a slight seismic event on the sea floor between Vietnam and Malaysia on March 8, which might be consistent with an airplane crashing into the sea...It was a non-seismic zone"

An aviation expert interviewed on CNN the other day seemed to think it could still be a technical fault despite the apparent change of direction. Plus interview with retired pilot. Then there was the oil rig worker who apparently saw a plane on fire. Presumably the area where the plane was last supposed to be really has been checked properly and some country isn't just pretending to be competent enough to have done so in order to save face.
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Old 17.03.2014, 12:24
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That's a fairly hefty assumption.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

While I tend to agree with you about the Flt. sim, I think I read that his wife/kids may have moved out of the house a few days before the disappearance of the plane. If true, it does raise some questions.

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It's a gamer PC with three monitors and some flight simulator panel. Every pilot shop has the controller available and yes, my friend also had some of that Saitek stuff you see in the background of the video.Less than 300 CHF... Hard to believe for non-gamers, but that is not that special or expensive these days. Too expensive for kids, but the type of thing a grown man buys if gaming is his hobby: https://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/category/992

But to answer your question: I made my private pilot license in the middle of the 90s, PCs looked a bit different back then. But a friend of mine spend days and weeks playing the Microsoft flight simulator. Even won a competition that got him into to the really big and expensive simulator Lufthansa used for training. As soon as he finished his military service did he start training as a commercial pilot. He was not the only one in his class that was rather nerdy and a computer gamer. Giving the technology involved in commercial aviation these days is it more the norm than the exception. But these were the 90s. Past 9/11 would probably somebody call a cop if a teenager plays too much with flight simulators. Must be a terrorist, no?

Or to put it differently: The guys hijacking the planes for 9/11 needed a simulator to practice flying a plane as they were not fully trained pilots and did not have access to real planes as engineering exchange students in Hamburg. They did not invest into something as cool as this one, but just put the game on a laptop... This gentleman has been a pilot for three decades and really does not need to train at home to fly his plane wherever he wants to. 18000 logged flight hours should be enough for that. Pretending this simulator is anything like a clue is just silly.

The cops raided his home on Saturday. With the current pressure especially from China would they by now parade any somewhat interesting finding.

I think it boils down to: They have no idea what happened at this moment. I think it is perfectly correct to investigate into all directions, but parading some images of the guy and his simulator without the slightest clue of him having anything done or planned is just wrong. If it was Europe and the Blick or the daily mail did so would I not question it a bit. If the same happens in a country where all newspapers are "a bit more" steered by the government is it just sad... they just want to give people something to discuss about to gain some time and lower the public pressure. Sadly does it seem to be working.
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Old 17.03.2014, 13:22
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

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Was wondering if this recent scientific discovery might be relevant to the report about a 'seismic event' underneath the flight path, but it apparently wasn't a seismic zone and they were referring to a tremor possibly caused by a crashed plane:

Clue to earthquake lightning mystery
"shifting soil layers ... generate huge electrical charge...
There isn't a mechanism I know that can explain this. It seems to be new physics....If it occurs along geological faultlines, sliding and cracking of soil grains could be generating millions of volts of electrostatic charge."
Chinese scientists observe 'seismic event' on sea floor
"A team of seismologists at one of China's top universities said they had detected a slight seismic event on the sea floor between Vietnam and Malaysia on March 8, which might be consistent with an airplane crashing into the sea...It was a non-seismic zone"

An aviation expert interviewed on CNN the other day seemed to think it could still be a technical fault despite the apparent change of direction. Plus interview with retired pilot. Then there was the oil rig worker who apparently saw a plane on fire. Presumably the area where the plane was last supposed to be really has been checked properly and some country isn't just pretending to be competent enough to have done so in order to save face.
Even if this were possible, the reported event was in the ocean at the time of the last comms.
The plane would have therefore crashed within a known radius from that point.
Debris would have been located now.

I would try not to get caught up in media speculation - their job is to sell papers, not tell the truth.
Anything that says:
-Maybe
-Should
-Perhaps
-Might
-Allegedly
pretty much means they have no idea, no evidence, and in my opion no right to publish such absolute bollocks.

FYI - I'm not attacking you (hence the 'thank'), but if it reads as so I do apologise. It's just that this sort of misleading information from the media really irritates me.

My current pet hate is pasting the pilot as some sort of psycho. FIND THE BLOODY PLANE FIRST, then establish the motive. Don't start a witch hunt (the poor family, really)


Nobody actually knows anything from when the plane last communicated.
It is clear that the comms were turned off manually.
The plane can't land on terra firma without first being detected by a radar of some form. (Or someone will be in DEEP shit)
Theoretical flight plans and est. fuel consumption give approximate locations for search parties.

The only thing that is safe to assume at this point, is that the result of this can only be sad and tragic.
Hopefully the eventual recovery of the plane and analysis will prevent this from happening again.
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Old 17.03.2014, 14:08
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

I wonder if anyone has tried tracking any of the mobile phones of passengers. If the plane was secretly landed somewhere, I would expect that something could be traced
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Old 17.03.2014, 14:21
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I wonder if anyone has tried tracking any of the mobile phones of passengers. If the plane was secretly landed somewhere, I would expect that something could be traced
Terrorist "schoolboy error" of they didn't confiscate them, switch them off and destroy them.
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I wonder if anyone has tried tracking any of the mobile phones of passengers. If the plane was secretly landed somewhere, I would expect that something could be traced
Considering how well the investigation is proceeding so far, I think they will get to tracing the passengers cell-phones maybe sometime next week
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Debris would have been located now.
Assuming that Malaysia/Vietnam can be relied upon to have done that thoroughly and to be open about the results, even if it might mean losing face or causing an international incident. Judging from the reports, they are the ones being relied on to have searched for debris where the last communication took place, and presumably further afield in the same waters. If the waters are disputed, perhaps countries with more advanced technology or possibly a different approach to information can't just go steaming in to see for themselves.
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The plane can't land on terra firma without first being detected by a radar of some form. (Or someone will be in DEEP shit)
The latter, I'm afraid. One of the directions of the investigations is towards the Andaman Islands and as it turns out was their military primary radar at the time of the event... unfortunately turned off. So much about India. Reports for the other countries in the corridor still not confirmed, but I would not put money on their air surveillance.
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Old 17.03.2014, 17:02
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

USA Today have realised that this isn't the first plane to have disappeared

http://www.usatoday.com/media/cinema...ances-usa-now/
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

Surely there are specific runway criteria for a 777 to be able to land, presumably, undamaged, no? How difficult would it be to check every possible landing location within the known range of the aircraft? I'm pretty sure it would be pretty much impossible to land it on some hastily contructed makeshift desert land strip.

Interesting aviation blog linked to by the Torygraph suggesting MH370 "shadowed" a Singapore Airlines 777 en route to Spain, passing over Norther India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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Uh-oh, look who's here:

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Another possible lead?
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Old 17.03.2014, 17:29
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Surely there are specific runway criteria for a 777 to be able to land, presumably, undamaged, no? How difficult would it be to check every possible landing location within the known range of the aircraft? I'm pretty sure it would be pretty much impossible to land it on some hastily contructed makeshift desert land strip.
There were 634 possible runways within range

http://www.theguardian.com.au/story/...ys-to-land-on/

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Sorry, but that's just a lousy attempt at a joke. Bringing up an arrest from 2008? Quest said on his news program very early on that the crew was the one with which he had just filmed a segment of CNN Business Traveler. He was visibly shaken. He couldn't believe the people he'd just filmed had disappeared seemingly without a trace.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

The latest is that they are turning their eyes on a "swiss"* aeronautics technicians who was on the plane. He is the next after the pilots who'd have enough knowledge on the plane's electronics to play with it. Mohd Kairul 29, is working for ExecuJet Aviation Group in Zürich.
We can assume that within a few days the next persons to be investigated are Wolli and Assassin (a nickname with many promises).


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Old 17.03.2014, 19:30
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I've read a lot of crazy theories but this one is the sanest and most likely explanation yet - http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ing-sia68-sq68

If true, were in deep shinola.
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Another possible lead?
Hard to say, but I know I'd be driven to do desperate things if I had to listen to Quest for any length of time.
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