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Old 17.03.2014, 19:36
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I've read a lot of crazy theories but this one is the sanest and most likely explanation yet - http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ing-sia68-sq68

If true, were in deep shinola.
Very interesting and intriguing indeed.
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Sorry, but that's just a lousy attempt at a joke. Bringing up an arrest from 2008? Quest said on his news program very early on that the crew was the one with which he had just filmed a segment of CNN Business Traveler. He was visibly shaken. He couldn't believe the people he'd just filmed had disappeared seemingly without a trace.
You are obviously a literalist with a strong moral sense and I hang my head in shame. The Questian interference theory is clearly impossible.
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Old 17.03.2014, 19:42
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(...) He was visibly shaken. He couldn't believe the people he'd just filmed had disappeared seemingly without a trace.
Does he know that the audience disappears without a trace when he comes on show?
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Old 17.03.2014, 19:48
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

Warning this is a shameless self promotion of own threads.

State of our humanity: we found the original waves from the big bang but nothing about MH370.
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Old 17.03.2014, 19:49
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Hard to say, but I know I'd be driven to do desperate things if I had to listen to Quest for any length of time.
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...The Questian interference theory is clearly impossible.
Well, when you give it a fancy name like Questian interference theory and combine it with poptart's comment...it actually doesn't sound much crazier than some of the other theories floating about.
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Old 17.03.2014, 19:51
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How much of an islamic extremist can he be if he has his picture taken with a gay jew who is the figurehead of liberal western media ?
hmmm extremist AlJazeera offered Quest a job but he turned the offer down because being a jewish gay might not be suitable (Quest's own words)
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Old 17.03.2014, 19:57
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Another possible lead?
How much of an islamic extremist can you be if you have your picture taken with a gay jew who is also the figurehead of liberal western media?


BTW Richard has visited Switzerland on numerous times. I've seen him on the train once. People recognize him and they love him.
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I've read a lot of crazy theories but this one is the sanest and most likely explanation yet - http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ing-sia68-sq68

If true, were in deep shinola.
This theory seems able to explain how mh370 could have avoided being detected by the radar.

But, this story highly depends on the timing and position of flt Sq68. Although each flt has its schedule, in reality the actual path and timing can be quite varied. The flt could have been heavily delayed or even canceled. So although this can be an explanation, it's not a good hijack "plan" as it depends on other factors out of control of the hijacker.

Or maybe at that period of time there were many flts with similar direction and time as Sq68 so that mh370's plan was to just follow the one closest in space and time, and it happened to be Sq68?

Or maybe Sq 68 was complice and acted deliberately as the cover of mh 370? This goes too far.
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Old 17.03.2014, 22:03
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This theory seems able to explain how mh370 could have avoided being detected by the radar.

But, this story highly depends on the timing and position of flt Sq68. Although each flt has its schedule, in reality the actual path and timing can be quite varied. The flt could have been heavily delayed or even canceled. So although this can be an explanation, it's not a good hijack "plan" as it depends on other factors out of control of the hijacker.

Or maybe at that period of time there were many flts with similar direction and time as Sq68 so that mh370's plan was to just follow the one closest in space and time, and it happened to be Sq68?

Or maybe Sq 68 was complice and acted deliberately as the cover of mh 370? This goes too far.
I strongly doubt a civil airliner would have the capability to find and close in on another civil aircraft.
Even fighter planes which are fitted with the correct electronics rely heavily on ground support to get them in the ball parc.

Anyway air traffic control should recognise when two aircraft are converging and issue appropriate warnings.
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Old 17.03.2014, 22:11
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Anyway air traffic control should recognise when two aircraft are converging and issue appropriate warnings.
ATC wouldn't see the second aircraft. They were outside radar range and the transponder was turned off.


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I strongly doubt a civil airliner would have the capability to find and close in on another civil aircraft.
Even fighter planes which are fitted with the correct electronics rely heavily on ground support to get them in the ball parc.
The approximate flightpath and timing of a scheduled flight would be known. Just do a bit of circling to wait for it if necessary.

It's a bit far fetched, but it sounds as reasonable as any other theory so far.
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Old 17.03.2014, 22:34
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I've read a lot of crazy theories but this one is the sanest and most likely explanation yet - http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ing-sia68-sq68

If true, were in deep shinola.
Wow.
If something like this does indeed turn out to be what has happened, I'd call this the "stunt of the decade".
Looks like straight out of a Hollywood script for a "Mission Impossible" film.
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Old 18.03.2014, 02:08
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Surely there are specific runway criteria for a 777 to be able to land, presumably, undamaged, no? How difficult would it be to check every possible landing location within the known range of the aircraft? I'm pretty sure it would be pretty much impossible to land it on some hastily contructed makeshift desert land strip.

Interesting aviation blog linked to by the Torygraph suggesting MH370 "shadowed" a Singapore Airlines 777 en route to Spain, passing over Norther India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I would disagree. Sure, there are certain runway criterias but they would be under the assumption, that one would like to operate the airliner again, which may not necessarily be the case for MH370.
I'm sure there are plenty of open spaces, where a 777 could possibly land safely, or slightly damaged, if the pilot doesn't intend on operating the aircraft again.
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Old 18.03.2014, 02:43
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I would disagree. Sure, there are certain runway criterias but they would be under the assumption, that one would like to operate the airliner again, which may not necessarily be the case for MH370.
I'm sure there are plenty of open spaces, where a 777 could possibly land safely, or slightly damaged, if the pilot doesn't intend on operating the aircraft again.
I think the theory of it shadowing a commercial 777 flight towards *-istan is good, particularly because of this added tidbit (as the remaining piece is, if it landed, wtf would they do with the passengers?);

"radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show the airliner climbing to 45,000ft, higher than a Boeing 777's approved limit, soon after its disappearance from civilian radar, then making a sharp turn to the west. The radar tracking then shows the plane descending unevenly to 23,000ft, below normal cruising levels, before climbing again and flying north-west towards the Indian Ocean. What the military did with this information is not known."

Well, if they climbed to 45k ft and depressurized the cabin, most of those folks would have died fairly quickly which would solve that problem fairly quickly. ( http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...gers.html?_r=0 )

Overall, I'm trying not to have nightmares about a flash of light over NYC or Boston in the near future as it's probably likely that it's possible these folks, whomever they are, are in possession of a 777, could weaponize it and fly it halfway around the globe with nobody able to figure it out until it's far too late. Ass meet flashlight and pair of hands.
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Old 18.03.2014, 03:02
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I think the theory of it shadowing a commercial 777 flight towards *-istan is good, particularly because of this added tidbit (as the remaining piece is, if it landed, wtf would they do with the passengers?);

"radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show the airliner climbing to 45,000ft, higher than a Boeing 777's approved limit, soon after its disappearance from civilian radar, then making a sharp turn to the west. The radar tracking then shows the plane descending unevenly to 23,000ft, below normal cruising levels, before climbing again and flying north-west towards the Indian Ocean. What the military did with this information is not known."

Well, if they climbed to 45k ft and depressurized the cabin, most of those folks would have died fairly quickly which would solve that problem fairly quickly. ( http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...gers.html?_r=0 )

Overall, I'm trying not to have nightmares about a flash of light over NYC or Boston in the near future as it's probably likely that it's possible these folks, whomever they are, are in possession of a 777, could weaponize it and fly it halfway around the globe with nobody able to figure it out until it's far too late. Ass meet flashlight and pair of hands.
You don't think that somebody who could pull this off, "weaponize" a jet and fly it halfway around the world would have the necessary means to purchase they own jet, rather than stealing one?
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Old 18.03.2014, 04:16
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You don't think that somebody who could pull this off, "weaponize" a jet and fly it halfway around the world would have the necessary means to purchase they own jet, rather than stealing one?
Yes. Boeing and Airbus are pretty locked down on purchases to random *-istan customers. I could be wrong, sure, but obtaining a plane like that, unlike Malaysian radar, is likely well monitored.
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Old 18.03.2014, 07:59
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hmmm extremist AlJazeera offered Quest a job but he turned the offer down because being a jewish gay might not be suitable (Quest's own words)


Sorry, what? Are you mixing up Al Jazeera and Al Quaeda? All Jazeera is in my experience far less extremist in their bias than CNN.
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Old 18.03.2014, 08:35
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Yes. Boeing and Airbus are pretty locked down on purchases to random *-istan customers. I could be wrong, sure, but obtaining a plane like that, unlike Malaysian radar, is likely well monitored.
Certainly, but there must be a huge grey market on retired machines, which are still capable to fly and don't necessarily have to be sold by Boeng/Airbus.
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Certainly, but there must be a huge grey market on retired machines, which are still capable to fly and don't necessarily have to be sold by Boeng/Airbus.


An international terrorist looking for a long range plane to "weaponize" would logically neither steal one nor buy one... as we can see right now is stealing a stupid idea - people will look for it, especially if you steal it with passengers on board. Buying on the other hand is damn expensive. Short term rental or leasing sounds more reasonably priced...


P.S.: Boeing and Airbus are not the only companies building long range planes and -istan countries traditionally have a lot of aging Tupolev and Iljushins sitting around.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

All this talk about climbing to 45k yo depressurise the cabin etc.... no need.

Just turn engine bleed or air con packs off.

If climbing, the pressure controller will try to maintain the differential pressure regardless of altitude.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

If the plane does turn up as a crash site through some malfunction, either human or mechanical, I hope the world's media prints enough apologies to the families of the pilots and flight engineer, whose private lives and whatever political leanings they have/had have been picked over, which has achieved nothing but to demonise them.
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