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Old 21.03.2014, 11:22
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I don't think it is terrorism, but if it is then the optimal time to claim responsibilty might be as the plane slams into a major city, packed with explosives or neutotoxins.

If they claim responsibility now then they reduce the search area.


If they need two weeks to unload the passengers and get those explosive neurotoxins on the plane do they have pretty bad project management. Those terrorists probably worked in banking IT before...
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:27
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Most likely answers captain was bonkers or something on the plane stopped working.

My bet is the captain flipped out.
Given that all the evidence points to this being commanded I'm with your conclusion. Cannot see this being anything technical.
Edit - unless it really is Aliens of course.

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If we assume for a moment that the plane crashed into water, is it possible it crashed so far south that the debris is being carried south of Australia by the ocean currents and no one has looked there? Everyone seems to be looking in the last location where the plane might have been as opposed to where wreckage could have drifted to after almost 2 weeks.
They're aware of this. Honestly they're not quite as stupid as that.
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:31
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They're aware of this. Honestly they're not quite as stupid as that.
We...? I hope that you are not paging from one of the search mission boats.
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:32
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

My 16 yo daughter's theory is that the plane was landed at sea ( la Hudson river a few years ago), the passengers were transferred to a pirated freighter and are currently somewhere in Somalia where secret ransom negotiations are ongoing . When I mentioned that the debris was spotted in a known shipping lane; she was like "Well, there you go, Daddy".
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:35
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:35
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I don't think it is terrorism, but if it is then the optimal time to claim responsibilty might be as the plane slams into a major city, packed with explosives or neutotoxins.

If they claim responsibility now then they reduce the search area.
What, they aim to sterilise the population?
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:39
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If we assume for a moment that the plane crashed into water, is it possible it crashed so far south that the debris is being carried south of Australia by the ocean currents and no one has looked there? Everyone seems to be looking in the last location where the plane might have been as opposed to where wreckage could have drifted to after almost 2 weeks.
The problem with modeling ocean currents is you need a place to start.

There is a lot of data available to figure out where things have drifted from, and where they drifted to etc.

You may recall recently the Mexican (or other Central American nationality) fisherman who was lost at sea.
He ended up on some Island, and the ocean modellers suggested that based on his stories it was plausible.

In this case, nobody knows for sure where the plane is, or was going, so where do you begin to model ocean currents?

The debris found South West of Australia is currently a starting point. Although nothing could be found or identified at the time, they have dropped ocean marker bouys in the area to both track the debris, and gain a clearer uderstanding of the ocean current data.

This of course will all be bullshit again if the debris is in fact not from an plane.
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:40
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We...? I hope that you are not paging from one of the search mission boats.


Where does the "We...?" come from?

I was of course referring to the fact that they have continually talked about ocean currents and wind drift in interviews (although sadly rather less about Aliens). I genuinely do not understand your comment.
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:50
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

Well, obviously, the plane blew up, the debris has sunk and sharks have eaten the rest.
The ocean is full of all sorts of stuff - so a few pieces of broken up aeroplane parts is going to make how much difference to searchers?

In my opinion, its all an excerise to keep speculation away from the dubious health of Malaysian Airlines planes ( business as usual) by casting doubt on all and sundry except the obvious.
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Old 21.03.2014, 11:55
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

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Well, obviously, the plane blew up, the debris has sunk and sharks have eaten the rest.
The ocean is full of all sorts of stuff - so a few pieces of broken up aeroplane parts is going to make how much difference to searchers?

In my opinion, its all an excerise to keep speculation away from the dubious health of Malaysian Airlines planes ( business as usual) by casting doubt on all and sundry except the obvious.
Two things (in bold):

1. A piece of aircraft found in the ocean will make all the difference in the world.
Yes there is a lot of crap in the ocean, but not a great deal of airplane crap.

2. Malaysian Airlines actually has an excellent safety record and maintenance history. The 777 in question was only serviced in late February, a few weeks before the flight.
I don't think we can blame the carrier at all for a faulty plane. This seems to be intentional pilot intervention (or other passenger), or something entierly unforeseeable.
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Old 21.03.2014, 12:20
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Yes there is a lot of crap in the ocean, but not a great deal of airplane crap.
Really?

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Old 21.03.2014, 12:43
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

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Well, obviously, the plane blew up, the debris has sunk and sharks have eaten the rest.
The ocean is full of all sorts of stuff - so a few pieces of broken up aeroplane parts is going to make how much difference to searchers?

In my opinion, its all an excerise to keep speculation away from the dubious health of Malaysian Airlines planes ( business as usual) by casting doubt on all and sundry except the obvious.
That pretty much agrees with the most plausible theory that I have seen, shared by Castro in post 278. The plane may have glided on auto pilot for a few hours and crashed into the Southern Indian Ocean. With the currents and depth of the water, the chances of finding much, if any, trace must be incredibly low, although it is consisent with the area that they are currently searching

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Old 21.03.2014, 12:51
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That pretty much agrres with the most plausible theory that I have seen, shared by Castro in post 278. The plane may have glided on auto pilot for a few hours and crashed into the Southern Indian Ocean. With the currents and depth of the water, the chances of finding much, if any, trace must be incredibly low, although it is consisent with the area that they are currently searching
You mean apart from the fact that that theory has been rubbished by pretty well every aviation expert going?

If it was on autopilot it would have continued towards China. If (unlikely) they decided to head for Langkawi and were then overcome it would have carried on towards southern India. If it is where they are now searching, someone commanded the aircraft to fly there.

BTW - also if it is there, it wouldn't have gone boom. No fuel left you see...
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Old 21.03.2014, 13:00
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Where does the "We...?" come from?

I was of course referring to the fact that they have continually talked about ocean currents and wind drift in interviews (although sadly rather less about Aliens). I genuinely do not understand your comment.
Nothing much except is sounds like either a race or national effort who's going to discover the debris first (if there are any).

Of course I agree with statement regarding the ocean waves and currents pushing the drifting objects away from their original location.

Sadly, given the latest source feed, I have to stick to one of the alternative theories claiming that aliens hijacked the plane into outer space and jammed the radars on the Earth.

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Old 21.03.2014, 13:04
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You mean apart from the fact that that theory has been rubbished by pretty well every aviation expert going?

If it was on autopilot it would have continued towards China. If (unlikely) they decided to head for Langkawi and were then overcome it would have carried on towards southern India. If it is where they are now searching, someone commanded the aircraft to fly there.

BTW - also if it is there, it wouldn't have gone boom. No fuel left you see...
I am not an aviation expert. It just sounded more plausible to me that some of the far-fetched theories that have been doing the rounds.

Depending on how much control it had, I guess its exact route could have varied considerably. It is consistent with it heading generally South West into the Indian ocean.

It may not have gone boom, as you put it. I guess that depends on whether there was a fire on board and how it developed. Either way the result would be it ending up in a remote and deep ocean
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Old 21.03.2014, 15:09
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Fair enough, but I would be surprised that a 2014 Indian Ocean investigation was hampered by floating debris from from the Pacific Ocean involving 1942 fighter planes .

Actually, with the media coverage so far I probably wouldn't be surprised.
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Old 21.03.2014, 15:16
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

there is far too much speculation being reported as 'fact' as well as totally incompetent officials making totally wrong statements for the general public to know what happened.

Every single 'fact' has since been withdrawn or changed, last I heard on the news they said the transponders hadn't in fact been turned off before the last transmission, so who knows.

all anyone really knows is the plane is missing
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I am not an aviation expert.
I am an aviation expert and I don't have a clue what happened. Without any crash site analysis or FDR / CVR input, we may never know what happened to MH370. It's too early to make any sweeping statements about this, but one thing is clear, there are a bunch of countries in the Far East that don't have very reliable military or civilian radar airspace coverage. Too many nations relying on the Americans and Australians in that area to take care of their own airspace.

I'm pretty sure China would have scrambled their military if the 777 approached their airspace with comms out.
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Old 21.03.2014, 15:29
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

out of the box thinking

did the flight ever exist? what if it never never even took off??

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

Maybe the Bermuda Triangle has moved position .........?
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