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That certainly seems to be part of the reason for texting the families at the last minute. Perhaps they just didn't have enough days to find support staff for each family.

MH370 lost in Indian Ocean, Malaysian PM announces
PM: "Malaysia Airlines have already spoken to the families of the passengers and crew to inform them of this development"
Malaysia Airlines defends text to families
Sarah Bajc, the girlfriend of Malaysian​ Airlines Flight 370 passenger Philip Wood, said she received the text message from the airline "a few minutes" before the prime minister's TV appearance.
Text Message to Passenger Families a 'Secondary Trauma,' Grief Experts Say
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That certainly seems to be part of the reason for texting the families at the last minute.
In their defence (Malaysian airlines), they did say that sending the SMS was a last resort.
It seems that the media had heard that the statement was going to be released and they were going to broadcast it BEFORE the airline had a chance to tell the people in person.

In this case, and again if it's true, I would support the actions of Malaysian airlines to do what they could to deliver the message as personally as possible in the time frame.

Had the media intended to wait for the delivery of the messasge before publishing, I'm sure the SMS issue would never have come about.

The media has once again sunk lower than I thought humanly possible.
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the media can wait ffs, they should be more concerned about the people directly involved before the declare the plane has crashed, even though they have no wreckage or confirmation.
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If they had assigned people to support each family, they could have texted them. Issuing a text seems to be more about covering their backs/being seen to be doing the right thing.

Maybe the families wouldn't be doing this if communication had been more coordinated and more personal:

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Yes, Hindsight does have the advantage of 20:20 vision.

I think everyone agrees that both Malaysian airlines and their government should have done a LOT of things much better than they did.

It's all a bit sad really.
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I personally feel sorry for the Malaysians, they seem to be doing the best they can given the paucity of information, vast degree of speculation and unhelpful media reporting. In addition the Chinese government isn't exactly doing much to help, apart from throwing its weight around, making demands etc.. And perhaps in that sense I don't know whether this visible distrust of the Malaysians isn't rubbing off on the families who are just pawns in this mess.
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You have to admit, that's a pretty good crayon drawing of a black box.
But an extremely poor represeantation of the Kent coast .
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I personally feel sorry for the Malaysians, they seem to be doing the best they can given the paucity of information, vast degree of speculation and unhelpful media reporting. In addition the Chinese government isn't exactly doing much to help, apart from throwing its weight around, making demands etc.. And perhaps in that sense I don't know whether this visible distrust of the Malaysians isn't rubbing off on the families who are just pawns in this mess.
Yes, I think it would have been handled completely differently without 24 hour news coverage banging on their door all the time. Far too much speculation that could have been avoided.
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But an extremely poor represeantation of the Kent coast .
I thought kent was ok, now norfolk and essex are terrible
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The two scenarios are mutually consistent. I can't see any other reason for the plane to fly thousands of miles in the opposite direction to its flight plan.
I know that all of us are speculating just as much as the media.

For me, the most plausible reason is that there was some kind of major failure on board, probably electrical fire related. This led to loss of contact, maybe turned off by the crew to isolate the problem.

At that point, the plane turns back to find a safe landing. With the crew then overcome by fumes or lack of oxygen, the plane continued on autopilot, maintaining around 30,000 feet, as advised by Inmarsat, until the fuel ran out.

This is not based on any knowledge of aviation that I have, which is none, but the only plausible theories that I have seen.

The highjacking or suicide theories all seem too far fetched to me.
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Yes, I think it would have been handled completely differently without 24 hour news coverage banging on their door all the time. Far too much speculation that could have been avoided.
I'm not so sure there would be a big difference: a jet crash of this size is an immediate and dramatic scene where the needs and priorities of the families of the victims, the needs and priorities of the airliner, those of the civil aviation authorities, of the concerned government bodies and the needs and priorities of the media will allways be in conflict and clash.
Sad but true: security in aviation developps also after such dramas; I hope the reason of the crash will deliver answers and bring lessons.
My thoughts for the families, the crews, and Malaysia.
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For me, the most plausible reason is that there was some kind of major failure on board, probably electrical fire related. This led to loss of contact, maybe turned off by the crew to isolate the problem.

At that point, the plane turns back to find a safe landing. With the crew then overcome by fumes or lack of oxygen, the plane continued on autopilot, maintaining around 30,000 feet, as advised by Inmarsat, until the fuel ran out.

This is not based on any knowledge of aviation that I have, which is none, but the only plausible theories that I have seen.

The highjacking or suicide theories all seem too far fetched to me.
Rob1 will soon be along to violently disagree, however for me this has always been the number one theory.
Its very reminiscent of the Helios 522 crash where the pilots were overcome with hypoxia and the plane continued on autopilot until eventually running out of fuel and crashing (despite someone managing to break into the cockpit at the last second).

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The general impression is that the searchers do not have a clue

I when MSA Malaysia Singapore Airlines broke apart was among the few who had some sympathies for the Malaysian side, but realities over the past 40 years have taught me that I was mistaken and that a friend who told me that "those Malaysians simply are incompetent and that the Singaporeans are fed up with them" was right. That I was wrong is no problem to me, but that all those passengers now most likely are dead is sad
I think if you did your research, you will find that the Singapore part has a worse safety record than the Malaysian side until a few weeks ago. They even had a pilot suicide-crash.
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I know that all of us are speculating just as much as the media.

For me, the most plausible reason is that there was some kind of major failure on board, probably electrical fire related. This led to loss of contact, maybe turned off by the crew to isolate the problem.

At that point, the plane turns back to find a safe landing. With the crew then overcome by fumes or lack of oxygen, the plane continued on autopilot, maintaining around 30,000 feet, as advised by Inmarsat, until the fuel ran out.

This is not based on any knowledge of aviation that I have, which is none, but the only plausible theories that I have seen.

The highjacking or suicide theories all seem too far fetched to me.
Sounds credible to me (and I'm as uninformed about aviation as anybody!), but why would the aeroplane proceed on autopilot in the opposite direction to its flight plan?
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Sounds credible to me (and I'm as uninformed about aviation as anybody!), but why would the aeroplane proceed on autopilot in the opposite direction to its flight plan?
It is known that it changed direction. Possibly it was hoping to head for a closer airport but things then went disastrously wrong
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Rob1 will soon be along to violently disagree, however for me this has always been the number one theory.
Its very reminiscent of the Helios 522 crash where the pilots were overcome with hypoxia and the plane continued on autopilot until eventually running out of fuel and crashing (despite someone managing to break into the cockpit at the last second).

Why would you say that? Im quite disappointed with that tbh. My stance has always been it made a double tuck nose dive into the ocean. as unfortunate as it sounds.

For the helios that was pure pilot error by not perforing the cockpit preflight check properly. Unfortunately the greek aviation authorities ignored all other national authority reports and blamed the engineer that performed the preflight.



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122 floating objects is starting to sound more convincing.

Again, satellite images only, so no confirmation.

Sizes of objects range from 1 - 23m in size.

...... this is over a 400km square area though
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I think if you did your research, you will find that the Singapore part has a worse safety record than the Malaysian side until a few weeks ago. They even had a pilot suicide-crash.
Singapore Airlines seems to have a better safety rating than Malaysia Airlines:

Malaysia Airlines safety record marred by serious incidents

(Jan 2014) And the world's safest airline is...

"Top of the ranking from AirlineRatings.com of the safest carriers in 2013 is the Australian airline Qantas. Awarding it a full seven stars, the website cites the airline's fatality-free flying record from the beginning of the jet era in the early 1950s. Other airlines sharing the seven-star rating and winning a place among the top 10 safest airlines are, in alphabetical order, Air New Zealand, All Nippon Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Emirates, Etihad Airways, Eva Air, Royal Jordanian, Singapore Airlines and Virgin Atlantic."
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

Has anyone discussed the possibility that the plane never came back to ground but instead kept climbing, to the point it left earth's atmosphere? I know that a space shuttle has insane amounts of thrust/force/speed to get off the ground and into space, but could a plane, already traveling at 40,000 feet doing 500+mph pull the nose up and just keep going? What if that plane was so ing high that it just left the gravitational pull of the earth and went straight to heaven?!?

Just a thought.
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Has anyone discussed the possibility that the plane never came back to ground but instead kept climbing, to the point it left earth's atmosphere? I know that a space shuttle has insane amounts of thrust/force/speed to get off the ground and into space, but could a plane, already traveling at 40,000 feet doing 500+mph pull the nose up and just keep going? What if that plane was so ing high that it just left the gravitational pull of the earth and went straight to heaven?!?

Just a thought.

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