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Italy: fined when using low speed winter tyres after May 15 2014

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...Busse-29910324

If you have planned a long weekend in Italy and want to travel by car, you should not only check the air pressure in the tires: after 15 May drivers in Italy are fined who are still using their vehicle winter or all-season tires, as ACS writes in a statement. The scheme applies to tires with speed index M, N, P or Q, which are approved by 120 up to 160 km / hr.
The fines are steep: when caught drivers must pay €419 to 1682 euros in fines. In the case of a recurrence, the Carabinieri can even confiscate the vehicle. "This is a ploy by the Italian government in order to get money," ACS director Stefan Get Stone states in the newspaper "Le Matin".

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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

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The scheme applies to tires with speed index M, N, P or Q, which are approved by 120 up to 160 km / hr.
Probably only Fiat Panda 4x4 have tires with such a speed index.
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Old 06.06.2014, 13:01
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

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The scheme applies to tires with speed index M, N, P or Q, which are approved by 120 up to 160 km / hr.
So your thread title is clearly incorrect. Nothing to do with winter tyres, just the wrong tyres.

Just checked our, and both cars' winter tyres are V rated.

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Probably only Fiat Panda 4x4 have tires with such a speed index.
Quite.
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

even shitty old Pandas will have T-rated tyres....

And your winter tyres' rating must also match (or exceed) the top speed of your car (the summer ones too, of course). Even if travelling at that speed is illegal.
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

By the way. The law in Switzerland is the same.
Winter tyres for cars must be rated for at least 160 km/h or at least for maximum possible speed. (Whichever is lower). If maximum speed is higher than 160 km/h but tyres are rated for less than maximum speed you will get a sticker. Law does not say what you have to do with sticker.

Art. 58 Abs. 2 and Art. 59 Abs. 3 VTS.

Fine in Switzerland. Judge will decide. With court fees and possible followup inspection at SAN/StVA in the same range as in Italy.
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

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By the way. The law in Switzerland is the same.
Winter tyres for cars must be rated for at least 160 km/h or at least for maximum possible speed. (Whichever is lower). If maximum speed is higher than 160 km/h but tyres are rated for less than maximum speed you will get a sticker. Law does not say what you have to do with sticker.

Art. 58 Abs. 2 and Art. 59 Abs. 3 VTS.

Fine in Switzerland. Judge will decide. With court fees and possible followup inspection at SAN/StVA in the same range as in Italy.
The sticker law thing came about my second winter in CH, probably 18 years ago. At the time most winter tyres were 160 or 180 rating IIRC so you got a sticker to put on the speedometer. I have one stuck on the back of the steering wheel on my Porsche.
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even shitty old Pandas will have T-rated tyres....And your winter tyres' rating must also match (or exceed) the top speed of your car (the summer ones too, of course). Even if travelling at that speed is illegal.
I don't know about Italy, but in Germany, it is legal to have a visible note on the dashboard stating "Winter Tyres max speed 160 Km/h". The driver must then not exceed 160, even if his car is capable of 190.

The article is from the ACS, I assumed they knew more about these things than the EF experts.

We will find out on Tuesday how many members the Autostrada police have caught, when the complaints arrive "I was fined € xyz in Italy..."
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I don't know about Italy, but in Germany, it is legal to have a visible note on the dashboard stating "Winter Tyres max speed 160 Km/h". The driver must then not exceed 160, even if his car is capable of 190.

The article is from the ACS, I assumed they knew more about these things than the EF experts.

We will find out on Tuesday how many members the Autostrada police have caught, when the complaints arrive "I was fined xyz in Italy..."
It's the same in Switzerland............
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The article is from the ACS, I assumed they knew more about these things than the EF experts.

We will find out on Tuesday how many members the Autostrada police have caught, when the complaints arrive "I was fined xyz in Italy..."
Considering that a high ranking police officer is not aware of Art. 100 SVG.

My prediction: 0. Zero. Null. Nada. Swiss Drivers just because same tyres would be as illegal in Switzerland.

Now, getting as close to the source as possbile is allways good:
http://www.tageszeitung.it/2014/05/0...rreifen-posse/
Like that they speak a understanbale language (Sorry Tom )
It looks like that not the ones with a very low speed index will have a problem. The ones with W+S tyres with a speed index >160 km/h but <max. car speed will get the fine. Well done ACS.

This is allowed in Switzerland but not in Itally during summer time....
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

Tom, now I need your help.

What does the true source document say?
http://www.mit.gov.it/mit/mop_all.php?p_id=17129

Found this:
http://www.suedtirolnews.it/d/artike...sache-ist.html
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

That article above states that if the speed limit for the winter tyre is above the maximum speed of the car then all is fine.

But if the speed index Q R S T etc is for a speed below the maximum speed of the car then the tyres must be removed by May 15th.

Explanation is that many drivers buy low speed winter tyres for snow conditions. Then at the end of the winter these tyres might still have legal tread depths, but not good enough for next winter. The driver would normally drive with these during the summer and buy fresh winter tyres in say October. But the Italian police are having none of this practice, and all tyres must be suitable for the maximum speed of the car when driving in the summer time.

Which in a fussy way, and with the higher summer temperatures, is probably a good idea!
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

It only mentions winter tire, not all season tires, and only up to Q speed rating.

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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

Here it is Deutsch und deutlich. http://www.suedtirolnews.it/d/artike...r-bindend.html

Rule for Italy:

1) In general speed index must at least cover cars top speed. Winter, Summer, all season, M+S etc.

2) During winter time (October 15 to Mai 15): You can use M+S tyres which are rated with a speed index of Q or better, regardless of cars top speed. (Q == 160km/h). Outside this time see 1)
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Re: Italy: fined when using winter tyres after May 15 2014

An insurance guy runs a column in one of the weeklies which regularly clog my mailbox. This week he informed the audience about insurance companies in Switzerland potentially refusing to provide coverage for accidents if you were driving on winter tires in summer (totally unrelated to speed index). Allegedly it takes you longer to stop your car on winter tires when driving in hot weather conditions - a bit like the reverse loss of insurance coverage when driving summer tires on snow.
Or maybe he just owns shares in tire manufacturers...
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