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06.07.2014, 15:49
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I take your point about the evidence needed etc. Especially given the dangers of being mislead by headline news feeds.
At the same time I am surprised by your comment. .. you only suppose it was Isreali police because he was cuffed?  what more evidence is needed? Given that:
- mainstream news channels that are * usually * quite biased towards Isreal are confirming he was beaten by Isreali police, (e.g. BBC)
- he is currently held in Isreali custody
- the US government has started reacting to the matter
I guess it is possible that someone beat the crap out of him, ran away and then the Isreali police came along whilst out for a stroll and arrested a helpless child casualty lying on the floor.
It is pretty clear to any rational, fair minded individual who the likely culprits are.
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06.07.2014, 16:07
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| | Re: Palestinian teen burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | There is a video circulating with the boy being beaten in the streets. I suppose being handcuffed would make that in police custody but if you have further reliable information about this case I would welcome a link. | | | | |
Howe many links you need ? Again http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-was-severely/ | This user would like to thank cannut for this useful post: | | 
06.07.2014, 16:22
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...stigation.html
6 people arrested. None as yet reported to be security forces.
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06.07.2014, 16:44
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Lets hope they are bought to justice if found guilty.
Meanwhile, it appears that the Isreali government could have closed the matter regarding the murder of 3 jewish boys a lot earlier, but instead implemented a gag order and milked it to justify another tirade of attacks and bombings.
to quote the news feed: "...But the Israeli authorities maintained a gag order on the details about what happened to Gil-Ad Shaer, Naftali Fraenkel, and Eyal Yifrah. It was a bid to exploit the uncertainty about the youths and strike a blow against Hamas and the unity deal the Islamist movement struck with Fatah.... http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel...s-missing.html | This user would like to thank homesick_alien for this useful post: | | 
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I am not surprised , because the security forces where not involved in the murder
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06.07.2014, 16:52
| | Riots - vandalism 38-year-old Hassin Yousef Hassin Khalifah from the Arab village of Iblin in the Galilee, confesses and is arrested for having stabbed Shelly Danan to death, then disposed of her body in a parking lot in Migdal Ha’emek. She had been on her way for a job interview. No riots – no vandalism - 3 israeli teenagers were murdered – No riots – no vandalism - The murder of Tabu-Khder.Riots – vandalism – ongoing anti-semitic attacks | The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | The following 2 users groan at for this post: | | 
06.07.2014, 17:00
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | Lets hope they are bought to justice if found guilty.
Meanwhile, it appears that the Isreali government could have closed the matter regarding the murder of 3 jewish boys a lot earlier, but instead implemented a gag order and milked it to justify another tirade of attacks and bombings.
to quote the news feed: "...But the Israeli authorities maintained a gag order on the details about what happened to Gil-Ad Shaer, Naftali Fraenkel, and Eyal Yifrah. It was a bid to exploit the uncertainty about the youths and strike a blow against Hamas and the unity deal the Islamist movement struck with Fatah.... http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel...s-missing.html | | | | |
Thanks for the link to "Mondoweiss " Publication ,very interesting .There is still some hope
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06.07.2014, 17:00
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| | Re: Riots - vandalism | Quote: | |  | | | 38-year-old Hassin Yousef Hassin Khalifah from the Arab village of Iblin in the Galilee, confesses and is arrested for having stabbed Shelly Danan to death, then disposed of her body in a parking lot in Migdal Ha’emek. She had been on her way for a job interview. No riots – no vandalism - 3 israeli teenagers were murdered – No riots – no vandalism - The murder of Tabu-Khder.Riots – vandalism – ongoing anti-semitic attacks | | | | |
WRONG.
Right wing extremist Jews protest freely and without retribution or media outrage. During the time of the kidnapping extremist groups were marching in Isreal shouting death to arabs --> no news coverage, no sign of police doing anything to stop it thus you never hear about it. Whilst any protests in Palestine is met with heavy handed and brutal policing, escalation and violence. Why the disparity in treatment? pretty clear why. but people are in denial.
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06.07.2014, 17:03
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| | Re: Riots - vandalism | Quote: | |  | | | 38-year-old Hassin Yousef Hassin Khalifah from the Arab village of Iblin in the Galilee, confesses and is arrested for having stabbed Shelly Danan to death, then disposed of her body in a parking lot in Migdal Ha’emek. She had been on her way for a job interview. No riots – no vandalism - 3 israeli teenagers were murdered – No riots – no vandalism - The murder of Tabu-Khder.Riots – vandalism – ongoing anti-semitic attacks | | | | |
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06.07.2014, 17:19
| | Re: Riots - vandalism | Quote: | |  | | | WRONG.
Right wing extremist Jews protest freely and without retribution or media outrage. During the time of the kidnapping extremist groups were marching in Isreal shouting death to arabs --> no news coverage, no sign of police doing anything to stop it thus you never hear about it. Whilst any protests in Palestine is met with heavy handed and brutal policing, escalation and violence. Why the disparity in treatment? pretty clear why. but people are in denial. | | | | |
True.
Extremist Groups were "shouting" death to arabs.
In the meantime the rioters have completely destroyed the two stations of
Shuafat and Es-Sahl - they also attempted to saw off the electricity pylon supplying energy to the light rail System. Which transported 40,000 passengers daily.
Extensive damage to themselves. As most Drivers, inspectors and control room staff are from East Jerusalem.
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| | Re: Riots - vandalism | Quote: | |  | | | True.
Extremist Groups were "shouting" death to arabs.
In the meantime the rioters have completely destroyed the two stations of
Shuafat and Es-Sahl - they also attempted to saw off the electricity pylon supplying energy to the light rail System. Which transported 40,000 passengers daily.
Extensive damage to themselves. As most Drivers, inspectors and control room staff are from East Jerusalem. | | | | | If jewish extremists were subjucated and dehumanized by security forces and the like, in the same way as the Palestinians, and despite this they were still "shouting" then you would have a point. This is not a fair comparision.
To understand, is not to condone.
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Again! Can you please speak respectfully? I find this dialogue incredbly important but with sarcastic and condesending tones this is going to go nowhere. I asked a question. Where are the police uniforms? Simple answer is its irrelevant because the boy was in police custody and needed to be released. Okay, great thats what i wanted to hear and lets move on. | Quote: | |  | | | WRONG.
Right wing extremist Jews protest freely and without retribution or media outrage. During the time of the kidnapping extremist groups were marching in Isreal shouting death to arabs --> no news coverage, no sign of police doing anything to stop it thus you never hear about it. Whilst any protests in Palestine is met with heavy handed and brutal policing, escalation and violence. Why the disparity in treatment? pretty clear why. but people are in denial. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | If jewish extremists were subjucated and dehumanized by security forces and the like, in the same way as the Palestinians, and despite this they were still "shouting" then you would have a point. This is not a fair comparision.
To understand, is not to condone. | | | | | I am assuming you have never seen an Israeli Hafganah. Your post makes the assumption that an Israeli protester gets special treatment. I assure you any rally with calls for violence will not be pretty regardless of who made those calls against whom. Please please research further before making assumptions.
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06.07.2014, 22:13
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | I am assuming you have never seen an Israeli Hafganah. Your post makes the assumption that an Israeli protester gets special treatment. I assure you any rally with calls for violence will not be pretty regardless of who made those calls against whom. Please please research further before making assumptions. | | | | | assumptions? | Quote: | |  | | | ...Your post makes the assumption that an Israeli protester gets special treatment.... | | | | | You are absolutely right. They dont get any treatment.
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | assumptions?
You are absolutely right. They dont get any treatment. | | | | | Any you can assert this how? Have you been to an Israeli protest? You cant just decide something is a certain way and repeat it till it becomes true. It may fit your idea of what goes on in Israel but that doesnt make it real.
Can someone tell me whats up with the thanks? Are those who thanked you in your last post any more experts on Israeli protests that they are agreeing with you, or is this a pat on the back for you affirming thier own preconceived notions?
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | Can someone bring proof these were israeli aggressors? Not saying it isn't so please don't get your panties in a bunch but israeli forces all have badges and these guys are dressed nothing at all like israeli police. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | Penny mama in denial  | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | Haha.
I beg your pardon but I find your post incredibly condescending and rude. I have no issue with israeli police serving in prison for beating an innocent boy. I would welcome such a move. However I reiterate these guys are dressed nothing like riot police. Nothing. They aren't wearing uniforms and are carrying nothing to identify them as such.
If you can't answer my question then please say so and don't resort to personal attacks.
Secondly it's great that this is all sensationalized and all that but let's step back and be honest with each other. This is not one sided and don't pretend it is. I personally know an American jew who is in the hospital right now after being attacked by arab extremists this past Friday. He's not the only one either. Where's the outrage and uproar? Or is it you in denial perhaps? | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | Again! Can you please speak respectfully? I find this dialogue incredbly important but with sarcastic and condesending tones this is going to go nowhere. I asked a question. Where are the police uniforms? Simple answer is its irrelevant because the boy was in police custody and needed to be released. Okay, great thats what i wanted to hear and lets move on.
| | | | | Your right Your Question went right over my head. I am so sorry
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06.07.2014, 22:35
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | Any you can assert this how? Have you been to an Israeli protest? You cant just decide something is a certain way and repeat it till it becomes true. It may fit your idea of what goes on in Israel but that doesnt make it real. Can someone tell me whats up with the thanks? Are those who thanked you in your last post any more experts on Israeli protests that they are agreeing with you, or is this a pat on the back for you affirming thier own preconceived notions? | | | | |
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | ..You cant just decide something is a certain way and repeat it till it becomes true. It may fit your idea of what goes on in Israel but that doesnt make it real. | | | | | Maybe take your own advice on that one.
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | ...Can someone tell me whats up with the thanks? Are those who thanked you in your last post... | | | | | Take a closer look. That's a groan. | 
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| | Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive | Quote: | |  | | | Any you can assert this how? Have you been to an Israeli protest? | | | | | No, but one does not need to look very far for the evidence. http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.602715 | 
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Wile you at it take a close look at all the References most are out of a Israeli news paper "Haaretz"
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