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It's obvious, but anyway... what happens in Bangladesh is for global politics about as important as the famous bag of rice falling over in China. Same is true for Nigerian schoolgirls. Nobody cares about religious motivated hate crimes in Burma either.

Tensions in the middle East from Egypt to Israel or say a conflict in Ukraine will get more coverage as it is more relevant to Europeans, end of story. I find it always funny how people try to make a point on how biased the media is with their coverage - all they care about is selling newspapers. If Bangladeshi/Pakistani/Nigerian or any other victims would sell them they'd report more about them.
Wrong side of the coin - newspapers are biased and they aren't all about selling newspapers. Journalists are the ones who are actually biased and they're keeping their jobs either way. I don't see how tensions in the Middle East are vastly more relevant to a Liverpudlian than tensions in China.
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Since this is your last message on this thread, I would like to give you something to read ….. and ponder ….

These are just some of the wonders “made in Israel” which are transforming the lives of thousands of people across the globe.Including you.
Now imagine how much more innovative they could be with the Palestinians and the rest of the world by their side.
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Since this is your last message on this thread, I would like to give you something to read ….. and ponder ….

These are just some of the wonders “made in Israel” which are transforming the lives of thousands of people across the globe.Including you.
  • First Care Emergency Bandage – is used to stop bleeding in trauma situations. Has saved the life of US Congresswomand Gabrille Giffors.
  • Mobileye – built into every new car in the world.
  • SensAheart – can be used at home and in the hospital to detect a heart attack
  • Nicom – non-invasive cardiac output monitor to prevent sepsis – one of the top 10 causes of death in USA.
  • Lube airway collar – cervical collar device for severe trauma to the neck.First ever non-invasive device that can open an airway.
  • Agilite Instant Harness - world’s smallest Class II rappelling harness, saved the lives of South African miners trapped underground 2013.
  • Injured Personnel Carrier - novel hand-free device allows one rescuer to carry an injured person.
  • The Babysense breathing monitor alerts parents of respiratory cessation in babies. Has helped protect more than 600.000 babies from crib death around the world.
  • Hyginex – smart bracelet to be worn by every staff member in a hospital to make sure that everyone washes their hand.
  • FODetect – keeps runways around the world safe from foreign objects. Damage to aircraft caused by FOD is $4 billion each year. It also caused the Concorde to crash in 2000, killing 113 people.
  • iMayDay iPhone app – sets of an alarm and emails to 5 pre-determined address to inform emergency workers about the accident.
  • PerSys Medical’s Blizzard Survival – rescued a mother and son with the Llanberis Mountain Rescue team in March.
  • Micromedic Technologies – diagnoses early intervention colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, lung cancer etc.
  • NowForce smarphone app – uses GPS to get first-response teams quickly.
  • Skysaver – to help evacuate skyscrapers in emergency situations.
  • Oxitone – watch that could save your life, measures your blood oxygen levels and alerts to a potential heart attack. Expected on the market within a year.
  • Autotalks – keeps drivers and passengers safer. By 2015 all car manufacturers will have it.
I don't understand how this is relevant to the thread, can you please clarify this? Thanks!
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I don't see how tensions in the Middle East are vastly more relevant to a Liverpudlian than tensions in China.
it's more relevant because the asylum seekers from east and north africa & the middle east flood Europe and also the oil and al qaeda are there. Plus many people buy holiday packages to the red sea in advance so they have to keep themselves informed.
Chinese issues with uyghurs stay in China. Middle east issues affect Europe.
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Wrong side of the coin - newspapers are biased and they aren't all about selling newspapers. Journalists are the ones who are actually biased and they're keeping their jobs either way. I don't see how tensions in the Middle East are vastly more relevant to a Liverpudlian than tensions in China.
Journalists tend to have an opinion... being interested in politics is what makes people choose this particular career. But they don't have some evil intention and I really don't buy into any of the tea-party meets the daily mail reader tinfoil hat theories... as a high school kid did I manage to make an internship in one of Germanies' best editorial offices. All I have seen is junior staff hardly getting paid enough to make ends meet (which made me reconsider my career plans) and senior editors being driven by the market share, not a political agenda. But to be honest was it not part of Murdochs empire, so things might be different at Fox News.
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Now imagine how much more innovative they could be with the Palestinians and the rest of the world by their side.
Unfortunately Israel is hobbled by their right flank. Like Switzerland in many ways.


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Journalists tend to have an opinion... being interested in politics is what makes people choose this particular career.
Being interested in left wing politics is what makes people choose this particular career. Extra points if you went to SOAS or wrote for the student union paper.
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Iron Dome has begun intercepting missiles targeted over the exclusively residential area of Tel Aviv. I feel so sorry for the residents of Gaza because this can now only go one way. Hamas knows exactly what the response will be, but they do it anyway.



Even if they have a point and if Israel are completely wrong. Imagine you were walking down the street with your young children and someone called you an asshole. Would you start a fight? No, you'd do what it took to protect your children and take action later if possible in a safe way. What Hamas are doing is a crime against their own people.
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Even if they have a point and if Israel are completely wrong. Imagine you were walking down the street with your young children and someone called you an asshole. Would you start a fight? No, you'd do what it took to protect your children and take action later if possible in a safe way. What Hamas are doing is a crime against their own people.
When the IRA was busy blowing up London, Brighton and other cities was our response to flatten Dublin or blockade their ports? You cannot on one hand claim to be a civilised country, worthy of normalised relations with the world, a seat at the UN etc.. and at the same time practice cruel and collective punishment.

It took decades of slow and painful negotiations with concessions on all sides to reach peace and the Good Friday Agreement, something Israel and to a lesser extent the Palestinians could learn from.
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When the IRA was busy blowing up London, Brighton and other cities was our response to flatten Dublin or blockade their ports? You cannot on one hand claim to be a civilised country, worthy of normalised relations with the world, a seat at the UN etc.. and at the same time practice cruel and collective punishment.

It took decades of slow and painful negotiations with concessions on all sides to reach peace and the Good Friday Agreement, something Israel and to a lesser extent the Palestinians could learn from.
It would have been Belfast, not Dublin and yes, there were some serious police actions in Belfast by the British Army and the RUC but it was almost a 100% internal conflict between loyalist and republican paramilitaries. If the Republic of Ireland decided to fire missiles at London, which is the proper comparison as this is a Hamas action, the UK would have sent tank columns into Dublin and run up the Union Flag, never mind collective punishment.

These sorts of actions by Hamas are really difficult to interpret because a much more powerful country would never even think of taking these actions against Israel. And that's mainly because they have too much to lose - imagine Saudi Arabia taking direct military action against Israel, or Iran. It's almost unthinkable. Hamas does it because it's the centre of its power base - conflict is how it stays in power.

And as for being a civilised country, the argument works in reverse too. If Hamas acts in this way, it must accept its status as a pariah in the international community. Israel might not care enough about collateral damage but there's a world of difference between accepting a certain level of losses of civilians while targeting terrorist militants, and blowing up pizzerias and bowling alleys.
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When the IRA was busy blowing up London, Brighton and other cities was our response to flatten Dublin or blockade their ports? You cannot on one hand claim to be a civilised country, worthy of normalised relations with the world, a seat at the UN etc.. and at the same time practice cruel and collective punishment.

It took decades of slow and painful negotiations with concessions on all sides to reach peace and the Good Friday Agreement, something Israel and to a lesser extent the Palestinians could learn from.
Since when is targeting weapon stashes and the heads of an organization that is bent on destroying you defined as collective punishment? If Germany sent missiles into zurich and Switzerland struck back by targeting the offenders you would call that war, not collective punishment. Collective punishment is when *somebody*is unhappy with their situation and decides to make a point by targeting civilians. What country dedicated to protecting their citizens would leave a border open which time and again has been used to smuggle explosives?

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Iron Dome has begun intercepting missiles targeted over the exclusively residential area of Tel Aviv. I feel so sorry for the residents of Gaza because this can now only go one way. Hamas knows exactly what the response will be, but they do it anyway.


Even if they have a point and if Israel are completely wrong. Imagine you were walking down the street with your young children and someone called you an asshole. Would you start a fight? No, you'd do what it took to protect your children and take action later if possible in a safe way. What Hamas are doing is a crime against their own people.
for once I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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Now imagine how much more innovative they could be with the Palestinians and the rest of the world by their side.
100%. Isn't it a shame they are dedicated to dismantling and destroying Israel rather than working together?
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Since when is targeting weapon stashes and the heads of an organization that is bent on destroying you defined as collective punishment? If Germany sent missiles into zurich and Switzerland struck back by targeting the offenders you would call that war, not collective punishment. Collective punishment is when *somebody*is unhappy with their situation and decides to make a point by targeting civilians. What country dedicated to protecting their citizens would leave a border open which time and again has been used to smuggle explosives?


for once I agree with you wholeheartedly.


100%. Isn't it a shame they are dedicated to dismantling and destroying Israel rather than working together?
I find your posts quite myopic. There is no protagonist here, it is a horrific cycle of crap.

I do disagree with Castro that Israel should be held to a higher standard that Hamas - we're all to be held to the same standard both collectively and individually. Murder is murder, war is war, it doesn't matter who wages it.
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I find your posts quite myopic. There is no protagonist here, it is a horrific cycle of crap.
You cant define it as a cycle if one side carries on even when unprovoked.
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You cant define it as a cycle if one side carries on even when unprovoked.
They both do. Settlements are both aggressions and provocations to aggression.
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They both do. Settlements are both aggressions and provocations to aggression.
Settlements are an aggression?! A provocation to aggression?? As in living on a land someone doesn't want you to live on is provocative? That's like me saying I was provoked to hit someone because I don't like their face. Like immodest women provoke men to rape them. Frankly I feel like if this is something that isn't obvious already then I'm clearly wasting my time here, and I'm out.
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Settlements are an aggression?! A provocation to aggression?? As in living on a land someone doesn't want you to live on is provocative? That's like me saying I was provoked to hit someone because I don't like their face. Like immodest women provoke men to rape them. Frankly I feel like if this is something that isn't obvious already then I'm clearly wasting my time here, and I'm out.

If I, as a British person and with British military backing, begin building British towns in France, that's an invasion and an act of war. And that's what settlements are.
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Settlements are an aggression?! A provocation to aggression?? As in living on a land someone doesn't want you to live on is provocative? That's like me saying I was provoked to hit someone because I don't like their face. Like immodest women provoke men to rape them. Frankly I feel like if this is something that isn't obvious already then I'm clearly wasting my time here, and I'm out.
Uh?


If I build a house in your backyard, take off you land and your neighbor's with the commune agreement, will you be ok with it?
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Since when is targeting weapon stashes and the heads of an organization that is bent on destroying you defined as collective punishment? If Germany sent missiles into zurich and Switzerland struck back by targeting the offenders you would call that war, not collective punishment. Collective punishment is when *somebody*is unhappy with their situation and decides to make a point by targeting civilians. What country dedicated to protecting their citizens would leave a border open which time and again has been used to smuggle explosives?


for once I agree with you wholeheartedly.


100%. Isn't it a shame they are dedicated to dismantling and destroying Israel rather than working together?

Bad Germans We would send them a bill ,they would pay , it`s called "Wiedergutmachung "
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Settlements are an aggression?! A provocation to aggression?? As in living on a land someone doesn't want you to live on is provocative? That's like me saying I was provoked to hit someone because I don't like their face. Like immodest women provoke men to rape them. Frankly I feel like if this is something that isn't obvious already then I'm clearly wasting my time here, and I'm out.


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If I, as a British person and with British military backing, begin building British towns in France, that's an invasion and an act of war. And that's what settlements are.
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If I build a house in your backyard, take off you land and your neighbor's with the commune agreement, will you be ok with it?
And here we get back into whether the settlements are legal. You compare it to British land so I ask you which country did this land belong to? Etc. Bottom line even if you feel a jew living there is illegal still wouldn't make it aggression.
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If I, as a British person and with British military backing, begin building British towns in France, that's an invasion and an act of war. And that's what settlements are.
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And here we get back into whether the settlements are legal. You compare it to British land so I ask you which country did this land belong to? Etc. Bottom line even if you feel a jew living there is illegal still wouldn't make it aggression.

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