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And here we get back into whether the settlements are legal. You compare it to British land so I ask you which country did this land belong to? Etc. Bottom line even if you feel a jew living there is illegal still wouldn't make it aggression.

It was owned by Britain , like Israel and Jordan but the UN recognises that the West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel. And if they aren't, then of course it's aggression, it's settling outside your borders which is an act of war.
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It would have been Belfast, not Dublin and yes, there were some serious police actions in Belfast by the British Army and the RUC but it was almost a 100% internal conflict between loyalist and republican paramilitaries. If the Republic of Ireland decided to fire missiles at London, which is the proper comparison as this is a Hamas action, the UK would have sent tank columns into Dublin and run up the Union Flag, never mind collective punishment.

These sorts of actions by Hamas are really difficult to interpret because a much more powerful country would never even think of taking these actions against Israel. And that's mainly because they have too much to lose - imagine Saudi Arabia taking direct military action against Israel, or Iran. It's almost unthinkable. Hamas does it because it's the centre of its power base - conflict is how it stays in power.

And as for being a civilised country, the argument works in reverse too. If Hamas acts in this way, it must accept its status as a pariah in the international community. Israel might not care enough about collateral damage but there's a world of difference between accepting a certain level of losses of civilians while targeting terrorist militants, and blowing up pizzerias and bowling alleys.

the real problem of Hamas is that it only is in power in the Gaza Territory and nowhere else

AND that most of the world regards the Abbas government of WestBank & EastJerusalem as "Paestine"
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Since when is targeting weapon stashes and the heads of an organization that is bent on destroying you defined as collective punishment? If Germany sent missiles into zurich and Switzerland struck back by targeting the offenders you would call that war, not collective punishment. Collective punishment is when *somebody*is unhappy with their situation and decides to make a point by targeting civilians. What country dedicated to protecting their citizens would leave a border open which time and again has been used to smuggle explosives?


for once I agree with you wholeheartedly.


100%. Isn't it a shame they are dedicated to dismantling and destroying Israel rather than working together?
"" Germany sent missiles into Zürich""" ? Germany is a country while Hamas is a party.

If the Green Party of Germany sent missiles, Switzerland would co-operate with the BKA Bundeskriminalamt in Wiesbaden
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the real problem of Hamas is that it only is in power in the Gaza Territory and nowhere else
Yeah, the terrorists should be everywhere

The problem with Hamas is that they exist.

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Germany is a country while Hamas is a party.
Hamas is the elected governing party of Gazans and Gaza and is, thus, a country or the representatives thereof. Like the German government is of Germany.
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Settlements are an aggression?! A provocation to aggression?? As in living on a land someone doesn't want you to live on is provocative? That's like me saying I was provoked to hit someone because I don't like their face. Like immodest women provoke men to rape them. Frankly I feel like if this is something that isn't obvious already then I'm clearly wasting my time here, and I'm out.
If it isn't obvious to you that building settlements beyond your borders is an act of aggression and war, then yes you are wasting your time.
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Isn't everyone wasting their time here ??
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Isn't everyone wasting their time here ??
In what sense?
Are you trying to say that people should not discuss this, on this discussion board?
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Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive

Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the Israeli settlements (references hopefully will hyperlink properly):

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The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[10] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[11][12] Israeli neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and communities in the Golan Heights, areas which have been annexed by Israel, are also considered settlements by the international community, which does not recognise Israel's annexations of these territories.[13] The International Court of Justice also says these settlements are illegal in a 2004 advisory opinion.[14][15][16] In April 2012, UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon, in response to moves by Israel to legalise Israeli outposts, reiterated that all settlement activity is illegal, and "runs contrary to Israel's obligations under the Road Map and repeated Quartet calls for the parties to refrain from provocations."[17] Similar criticism was advanced by the EU and the US.[18][19] Israel disputes the position of the international community and the legal arguments that were used to declare the settlements illegal.[20]
This terminology doesn't get as strong as the word war, but does include the word provocation. And it includes the word illegal lots of times.
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And it includes the word illegal lots of times.
So, I've probably made this point before, but I don't believe in international law. If you do, that's great, but you certainly shouldn't equate them with the Swiss law against rape for example.
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So, I've probably made this point before, but I don't believe in international law. If you do, that's great, but you certainly shouldn't equate them with the Swiss law against rape for example.
Fair enough, but as some of the recent discussion was around whether settlements are legal or not, I thought the information was relevant. Whether or not one accepts or believes in international law is another matter.
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Fair enough, but as some of the recent discussion was around whether settlements are legal or not, I thought the information was relevant. Whether or not one accepts or believes in international law is another matter.
indeed. Though I think the most important point is that settlements are unnecessary to Israel and harmful to the peace process.
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Since this is your last message on this thread, I would like to give you something to read ….. and ponder ….

These are just some of the wonders “made in Israel” which are transforming the lives of thousands of people across the globe.Including you.
  • First Care Emergency Bandage – is used to stop bleeding in trauma situations. Has saved the life of US Congresswomand Gabrille Giffors.
  • Mobileye – built into every new car in the world.
  • SensAheart – can be used at home and in the hospital to detect a heart attack
  • Nicom – non-invasive cardiac output monitor to prevent sepsis – one of the top 10 causes of death in USA.
  • Lube airway collar – cervical collar device for severe trauma to the neck.First ever non-invasive device that can open an airway.
  • Agilite Instant Harness - world’s smallest Class II rappelling harness, saved the lives of South African miners trapped underground 2013.
  • Injured Personnel Carrier - novel hand-free device allows one rescuer to carry an injured person.
  • The Babysense breathing monitor alerts parents of respiratory cessation in babies. Has helped protect more than 600.000 babies from crib death around the world.
  • Hyginex – smart bracelet to be worn by every staff member in a hospital to make sure that everyone washes their hand.
  • FODetect – keeps runways around the world safe from foreign objects. Damage to aircraft caused by FOD is $4 billion each year. It also caused the Concorde to crash in 2000, killing 113 people.
  • iMayDay iPhone app – sets of an alarm and emails to 5 pre-determined address to inform emergency workers about the accident.
  • PerSys Medical’s Blizzard Survival – rescued a mother and son with the Llanberis Mountain Rescue team in March.
  • Micromedic Technologies – diagnoses early intervention colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, lung cancer etc.
  • NowForce smarphone app – uses GPS to get first-response teams quickly.
  • Skysaver – to help evacuate skyscrapers in emergency situations.
  • Oxitone – watch that could save your life, measures your blood oxygen levels and alerts to a potential heart attack. Expected on the market within a year.
  • Autotalks – keeps drivers and passengers safer. By 2015 all car manufacturers will have it.

Sorry. I just couldn't resist it.
Is there a reason why b-deborah, MidfieldGeneral groaned at this post ? I can't immagine what it could be.
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Yeah, the terrorists should be everywhere

The problem with Hamas is that they exist.



Hamas is the elected governing party of Gazans and Gaza and is, thus, a country or the representatives thereof. Like the German government is of Germany.
Negative. the governments of WEST GERMANY had to face numerous re-elections. Mrs Merkel governs in a coalition with the Social Democrats. THIS is the difference.
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Owned by Britain ??

Don't make me laugh.

From whom did they buy ( steal ) it from ?



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It was owned by Britain , like Israel and Jordan but the UN recognises that the West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel. And if they aren't, then of course it's aggression, it's settling outside your borders which is an act of war.
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Since this is your last message on this thread, I would like to give you something to read ….. and ponder ….

These are just some of the wonders “made in Israel” which are transforming the lives of thousands of people across the globe.Including you.
  • First Care Emergency Bandage – is used to stop bleeding in trauma situations. Has saved the life of US Congresswomand Gabrille Giffors.
  • Mobileye – built into every new car in the world.
  • SensAheart – can be used at home and in the hospital to detect a heart attack
  • Nicom – non-invasive cardiac output monitor to prevent sepsis – one of the top 10 causes of death in USA.
  • Lube airway collar – cervical collar device for severe trauma to the neck.First ever non-invasive device that can open an airway.
  • Agilite Instant Harness - world’s smallest Class II rappelling harness, saved the lives of South African miners trapped underground 2013.
  • Injured Personnel Carrier - novel hand-free device allows one rescuer to carry an injured person.
  • The Babysense breathing monitor alerts parents of respiratory cessation in babies. Has helped protect more than 600.000 babies from crib death around the world.
  • Hyginex – smart bracelet to be worn by every staff member in a hospital to make sure that everyone washes their hand.
  • FODetect – keeps runways around the world safe from foreign objects. Damage to aircraft caused by FOD is $4 billion each year. It also caused the Concorde to crash in 2000, killing 113 people.
  • iMayDay iPhone app – sets of an alarm and emails to 5 pre-determined address to inform emergency workers about the accident.
  • PerSys Medical’s Blizzard Survival – rescued a mother and son with the Llanberis Mountain Rescue team in March.
  • Micromedic Technologies – diagnoses early intervention colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, lung cancer etc.
  • NowForce smarphone app – uses GPS to get first-response teams quickly.
  • Skysaver – to help evacuate skyscrapers in emergency situations.
  • Oxitone – watch that could save your life, measures your blood oxygen levels and alerts to a potential heart attack. Expected on the market within a year.
  • Autotalks – keeps drivers and passengers safer. By 2015 all car manufacturers will have it.


i-b-deborah, MidfieldGeneral groaned at this post. Why ? Why hasn't anyone offered a thanks to this post ? Why ?


How dare Israel, barely larger than New Jersey, with a Population of ca. 5.938.093 - have the guts and audacity to contribute life saving tecniques to the world ?


Could this be the reason ?


Where are the inventions from the 21 seperate Arab countries surrounding Israel ? True, they have the world's richest oil resources, but we're talking about contributing to the welfare of People.











When



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Owned by Britain ??

Don't make me laugh.

From whom did they buy ( steal ) it from ?


It was owned by Britain and all land in the world was originally stolen by people with bigger clubs and sharper axes.
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because its completely irrelevant to the thread
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because its completely irrelevant to the thread
it was indeed completely irrelevant to the thread.
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Re: Palestinian teen [possibly] burned alive

Just a quick question to the Americans on this board.

If America (and the rest of the world) recognizes the illegality of the Israeli settlements/annexation as mentioned on a wikipedia quote above, then why don't they come up with the same sanctions that Russia has to deal with for annexing Crimea (a region that willingly wanted to be annexed by vote, unlike Palestine)?
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Just a quick question to the Americans on this board.

If America (and the rest of the world) recognizes the illegality of the Israeli settlements/annexation as mentioned on a wikipedia quote above, then why don't they come up with the same sanctions that Russia has to deal with for annexing Crimea (a region that willingly wanted to be annexed by vote, unlike Palestine)?
Or for that matter, sanction China for Tibet, Taiwan, Paracel etc, sanction Turkey, its NATO partner for Cyprus, India and Pakistan for Kashmir and Jammu....they should be sanctioning a whole lot of countries, no?
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