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Cyprus, 40 years on - future?

I know it isn't half as exciting as Israel/Palestine, but this week is the fortieth anniversary of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Half of the country remains under illegal occupation, its inhabitants killed or dispersed, their land stolen by colonists from Turkey.

Perhaps if the Greek Cypriots had taken to hijacking aeroplanes or shooting at Turkish athletes at the Olympic Games, or perhaps if they'd been herded into refugee camps in Famagusta rather than being allowed to build new lives in southern Cyprus, Greece, the United Kingdom and elsewhere, maybe then the rest of the world would give a damn, but they didn't, so we don't.

There doesn't seem to be any solution which will bring justice to those who lost family, friends and property during the invasion. Meanwhile, the Turkish colonisation of the island continues.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...442930587.html
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Re: Cyprus, 40 years on - future?

The island has always been Turkish. Turkish people have lived on the north of the island longer than living memory. Turkey has a right to protect its people in Cyprus. It's the Jews' fault.
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which side has the cheapest beer?
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Here's your choice:

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Take your pick.
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I wonder what Turkey's response would be to rockets fired from the "Greek" side. They've always been pretty restrained with the Kurds...perhaps they'd just be passive and make them a land offer?
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I know it isn't half as exciting as Israel/Palestine, but this week is the fortieth anniversary of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Half of the country remains under illegal occupation, its inhabitants killed or dispersed, their land stolen by colonists from Turkey.

Perhaps if the Greek Cypriots had taken to hijacking aeroplanes or shooting at Turkish athletes at the Olympic Games, or perhaps if they'd been herded into refugee camps in Famagusta rather than being allowed to build new lives in southern Cyprus, Greece, the United Kingdom and elsewhere, maybe then the rest of the world would give a damn, but they didn't, so we don't.

There doesn't seem to be any solution which will bring justice to those who lost family, friends and property during the invasion. Meanwhile, the Turkish colonisation of the island continues.

Thoughts?

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...442930587.html
nice one sided summary, would you kindly also care to detail what led to this illegal occupation? Any chance you might refer to the atrocities carried out by the Megali Idea supporters towards the Turkish Cypriots?

On the other side, I do believe the right thing would be to unite the island somehow allowing all to go back to pre-1974 homes. I do not believe this would be easily possible due to huge number of colonists. If you want a balanced view on the current situation of the island and inhabitants, you might want to read Echoes from the Dead Zone from Yiannis Papadakis.

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Re: Cyprus, 40 years on - future?

As a long time visitor to the island (mainly Greek side) with parents who retired there, the uncomfortable truth which dare not be uttered is that the Greek part brought the Turkish invasion on themselves.

The Turks only did what any country would do and secured an area for their people to live in. To be honest, they actually showed plenty of restraint not taking the whole island.

Of course this meant the displacement of many Greek Cypriots, but the alternative was actually Greece taking over the island and ruling over Turkish citizens.

As unhappy a balance as it is there, it works as it is. The border controls are now all but lifted and you can freely move between both halves.

The beer is much cheaper in the Turkish side and instead of Keo, you get Efes. To be honest, the only beer I drink over there is Leon though.
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Re: Cyprus, 40 years on - future?

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Here's your choice:

Cyprus:


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Take your pick.
The Ayran you linked tastes cr4p by real Turkish standards.
Some Turks rather prefer
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nice one sided summary, would you kindly also care to detail what led to this illegal occupation? Any chance you might refer to the atrocities carried out by the Megali Idea supporters towards the Turkish Cypriots?
It doesn't matter what started it. The legitimate government of Cyprus was restored very soon after the invasion. Turkey still stayed, then proceeded to colonise the island and turn it into the most militarised zone in the world.

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I don't think turning the clock back is ever going to be possible. Adequate compensation for lost property would help, but there's no going back to a mixed island. Not now, not after the colonisation programme.
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I know it isn't half as exciting as Israel/Palestine, but this week is the fortieth anniversary of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Half of the country remains under illegal occupation, its inhabitants killed or dispersed, their land stolen by colonists from Turkey.

Perhaps if the Greek Cypriots had taken to hijacking aeroplanes or shooting at Turkish athletes at the Olympic Games, or perhaps if they'd been herded into refugee camps in Famagusta rather than being allowed to build new lives in southern Cyprus, Greece, the United Kingdom and elsewhere, maybe then the rest of the world would give a damn, but they didn't, so we don't.

There doesn't seem to be any solution which will bring justice to those who lost family, friends and property during the invasion. Meanwhile, the Turkish colonisation of the island continues.

Thoughts?

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...442930587.html
There isn't at present as much killing as I/P and that's why it isn't in the news. Simples.
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There isn't at present as much killing as I/P and that's why it isn't in the news. Simples.
And why isn't there as much killing?
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cheap beer, do keep up

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Re: Cyprus, 40 years on - future?

I don't know, I just gave the reason as to why its not so newsworthy as I/P
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I don't think you are serious!
How can you hope for a solution, if you only blame one side?
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It doesn't matter what started it. The legitimate government of Cyprus was restored very soon after the invasion. Turkey still stayed, then proceeded to colonise the island and turn it into the most militarised zone in the world.
We've seen very different things. Last time I went to the North, about 3 years ago, there was absolutely no signs of military after going through the DMZ and it just seemed to be a poorer version of the Greek side.

The fact is, the Greeks tried to be smart and it backfired. They effectively taunted a bigger bloke in the pub and thought it's ok, no-one really fights in pubs, then bang, the big bloke hits them back.

Was the Turkish approach 100% correct, absolutely not, but if you tweak a tiger's tail (particularly a much bigger tiger who you have been skirmishing with for millennia), there's a good chance he'll bite you.
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Re: Cyprus, 40 years on - future?

I think long term there may be a reunification solution if Turkey is serious about joining the EU.
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We've seen very different things. Last time I went to the North, about 3 years ago, there was absolutely no signs of military after going through the DMZ and it just seemed to be a poorer version of the Greek side.

The fact is, the Greeks tried to be smart and it backfired. They effectively taunted a bigger bloke in the pub and thought it's ok, no-one really fights in pubs, then bang, the big bloke hits them back.

Was the Turkish approach 100% correct, absolutely not, but if you tweak a tiger's tail (particularly a much bigger tiger who you have been skirmishing with for millennia), there's a good chance he'll bite you.
especially a "big bloke" who has scant regard for human rights.
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I don't know, I just gave the reason as to why its not so newsworthy as I/P
I can tell you:

1) The refugees were not herded into refugee camps then forced to stay there as pawns in a bigger political game. Many Cypriots - both Turkish and Greek speaking - fled to London (for example), acquired British passports and built new lives. Sure, they're pissed off and would quite like their land and property back, but their children and grandchildren are British citizens who go to school and work just like any other Brits. Compare with the experience of the Arabs of Palestine.

2) It's done. Northern Cyprus is never going to be anything other than a colony of Turkey. Even the most rabid Greek nationalist recognises that fact despite his (obligatory) protestations. This means that everyone has been able to move on, no matter how pissed off they are.

3) The Republic of Cyprus hasn't spent the last 40 years sending suicide bombers into the north, hijacking aeroplanes, shooting athletes, launching rockets. This is related to point 1), of course, but that isn't the whole story.

4) Outside indifference: Turkey is a member of NATO, stategically useful, a reluctant friend of the west. Apart from the British bases, Cyprus is expendible. Greek Cypriots don't make good agitprop material, partly because of point 1).

5) Turkey isn't Israel.
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Was the Turkish approach 100% correct, absolutely not, but if you tweak a tiger's tail (particularly a much bigger tiger who you have been skirmishing with for millennia), there's a good chance he'll bite you.
Someone should have told the Ukrainians...
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