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View Poll Results: Would you favour Scotland opting for indepence from UK
YES........ go for it 31 50.00%
NO.......... hang on for dear life 31 50.00%
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Old 28.08.2014, 21:02
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Don't you see this as an issue?? the whole 'plan' after a yes vote is to keep this, keep that, use this, use that

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It wouldn't be down to scotland to pick and chose what they want, its down to westminster what they ALLOW you to keep and use (and pay for), you talk like its all a done deal, its not, you're being very very blinkered
Westminster doesn't own the Queen. They can't dictate who may or may not have her as a head of state. Only the Queen herself would be able to reject being Queen of Scotland if the people of Scotalnd wanted to keep her. But I can't imagine the Queen not wanting to fulfil that task. Scotland has a crown and royal insignia of its own (you can view these in Edinburgh Castle and learn about their history). There's even a photograph there of the Queen wearing them.
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Old 30.08.2014, 08:44
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

In case you haven't seen it before, here is the Economist summary of the debate:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bligh...independence-0
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Old 31.08.2014, 14:08
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Yesterday's poll, 29th August 2014, Yes 42%, No 48%, Undecided 11%

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotl...s/poll-tracker
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Old 31.08.2014, 23:05
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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UKIP Scottish chairman Arthur Misty Thackeray said: "This rally is to show that the UK is one single united country, and we have our fellow Scots and Britons all over the UK who want us to stay together."
So do we take that the UKIP does not consider at country in any shape or form?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Judging by latest poll this is suddenly becoming V-E-R-Y interesting.

I think the NO side are losing it by indulging in a negative and apoplectic scenario for an Independent Scotland.

You never know..... if the Scots vote for independence and make a good shot at it.....maybe the Welsh might start a debate.

Any feedback from our friends in the valleys?

I wonder what "call-me-dave" is thinking tonight?
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Old 07.09.2014, 07:44
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Westminster doesn't own the Queen. They can't dictate who may or may not have her as a head of state. Only the Queen herself would be able to reject being Queen of Scotland if the people of Scotalnd wanted to keep her. But I can't imagine the Queen not wanting to fulfil that task. Scotland has a crown and royal insignia of its own (you can view these in Edinburgh Castle and learn about their history). There's even a photograph there of the Queen wearing them.
Hell yes, I can't see the Royals giving up their grouse shooting just because of this 'orrible vote.
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Old 07.09.2014, 09:09
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I think the NO side are losing it by indulging in a negative and apoplectic scenario for an Independent Scotland.
Well only time will tell, but I tend to agree with you. The idea of telling a nation that they are incapable of running their own affairs is an excellent way of ensuring that that is exactly what they will vote for!
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

This poll puts the "yes" side ahead by 2 points. (Sat September 6, 2014 3:30 p.m. BST)

‘Yes’ campaign lead at 2 in Scottish Referendum

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Re: Voting for Scottish Inde pendence?

A disaster looms, I'm Scottish and agin it even though that makes me agree with Gordon Brown which is normally a bad sign. In summary I'm agin it because.

Only a few days to go and we still don't know what scotlands currency will be, this whole 'ach they are bluffing, we'll have a currency union' is a joke, likewise the 'we'll force a currency union or we'll renege on our debts' thats economic suicide and illegal to boot, way for a fledgling country to build credibility.

I'm also agin it for the reason that 70% of Scotlands exports go to rUK, why would any sane person turn that level of domestic trade into an international trade? the closest example is Canada/USA, common border, shared language yet only 10% of trade is with the USA. There are no new markets opened by a Yes vote, only doors closed.

I'm reading estimates of 600k-1.1m jobs dependent on rUK firms, why would a firm want to maintain employees in a foreign land if they could employ them at home? it won't happen immediately but those jobs will leave.

An independent Scotland could not have afforded to bail out RBS, Scotlands biggest PLC would have gone to the wall, fingers crossed we don't need to do that again.

The cybernats. I wouldn't want to support a cause championed by these clowns, using online abuse instead of reasoned argument means you already lost the argument.

This whole thing is Salmonds vanity project, I can't stand that man, nor trust him, although as i read earlier that's not actually my opinion, I've apparently just fallen for all the media bais against the noble man, silly me.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I struggle with this kind of thing as I'm a firm imperialist, but could somebody more knowledgeable explain something to me?

As I understand it, Mr Salmond wants independence for Scotland, but wants to maintain open borders, continue trading freely with the rest of the United Kingdom, remain a member of the EU, keep the same currency and keep the same monarch.

So, er, what kind of independence is that, then?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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I struggle with this kind of thing as I'm a firm imperialist, but could somebody more knowledgeable explain something to me?

As I understand it, Mr Salmond wants independence for Scotland, but wants to maintain open borders, continue trading freely with the rest of the United Kingdom, remain a member of the EU, keep the same currency and keep the same monarch.

So, er, what kind of independence is that, then?
It's a stepping stone sort of independence. Before you know it, they'll have a different language, become a barter economy and use haggis as a currency.

Of course, all the normal people will leave in that scenario. Congrats Mr. Salmond.
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I struggle with this kind of thing as I'm a firm imperialist, but could somebody more knowledgeable explain something to me?
Stomping round the living room to the strains of Rule Britannia!??

These coolies just don't know how lucky they are.
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Old 07.09.2014, 12:58
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Interesting piece in The Scotsman, skewering the idea of an independent Scotland becoming a social-justice utopia:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/comment...dows-1-3533672
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

The main thing that concerns me is that my daughter's passport is due for renewal in a few months, I really hope I don't pay for a new UK one and then need to get a Scottish one afterwards
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

An acquaintance of mine has come up with some interesting figures:

Last Labour government to come to power thanks to Scottish voters: Wilson's February '74 minority government. Last UK government of any party to come to power thanks to Scottish voters: this one.

I think Scottish independence will be bad for the UK left, but not fatal. Meanwhile, going by the figures in The Scotsman article, the PR system will deliver a lot more Conservative MPs in Scotland. I suspect that an independent Scotland will be a lot less distinctive than the Scottish Left believes, sadly.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

So if Scotland votes to be independent and it wants to be part of the EU, while England and the rest do not want to be part of the EU, why not transfer the EU membership to the new Scottish State and let the UK negotiate its own (Swiss-style) bilateral agreements with the EU?
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Stomping round the living room to the strains of Rule Britannia!??

These coolies just don't know how lucky they are.
Nah. More like this.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Now listen, son. Your mother and I don't think it's a good idea for you to move out just yet, knowing what you're like with budgeting and all. Yes, yes, I know you've been selling your cassette tapes to your mates at the community college, but they won't last forever, and don't forget that the Fleetwood Mac and Dire Straits ones are mine anyway. So, we don't think it's a good idea, but if it's what you really, really want then we'll let you go. It isn't going to be an easy ride, but... what? You want to bring your washing home at the weekends? I don't think your mother's going to agree with that - moving out is moving out and... you want to carry on borrowing the car whenever you fancy? I don't think so! You can catch the bus like everyone else. What's that? You want to keep a key so you can pop in whenever your fridge is empty? Are you having a laugh, son?


Son, do you actually want to move out or what? You've got your own room, can have your own friends round whenever you want, and we always keep the fridge well stocked with beer and microwaveable kebabs. What more do you want?


Oh, aye. Independence, you say?


See you then. Don't forget to leave your keys with your mother on your way out...
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