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YES........ go for it 31 50.00%
NO.......... hang on for dear life 31 50.00%
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Laughable, the English Armada heading north to support the 'No' campaign. Hope Gideon pays for his rail fare this time. Better late than never I suppose.
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Old 09.09.2014, 23:48
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I wonder how well the Irish nationalist side explained the consequences at the time, or were even aware of the details themselves. But many people supported them nevertheless in the confidence that these problems would be solved somehow.
Well there was no referendum, but in the 1918 election (Old) Sinn Fein won 73 out of the 105 Westminster seats allocated to the whole of Ireland, on the basis that they were going to set up their own parliament in Dublin and not go to London - which the did.

And in 1922, the Sinn Fein (Pro-Treaty) side won 58 seats, while Sinn Fein (Anti-Treaty) only managed 36 seats. So there really never was any question about it not going ahead on economic grounds.

And of course in those days it was always about the right to self determination, I doubt it ever even entered their minds that they might fail nor that there was any real alternative.

"We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English." - Winston Churchill. Will DC be saying the same after this I wonder.
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Please define triumph.
At least 55% no?
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50.01% ??
Another huge mistake in the whole sorry episode.

There should have been a minimum of 75% of the votes required to win.

What they are doing is simply tearing a nation apart right down the middle.
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Another huge mistake in the whole sorry episode.

There should have been a minimum of 75% of the votes required to win.

What they are doing is simply tearing a nation apart right down the middle.

Like it hasn't done already.
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Another huge mistake in the whole sorry episode.

There should have been a minimum of 75% of the votes required to win.
Why? Shouldn't then the same apply to the no vote? Should we have referenda ad infinitum, or at least until one side gets 75%?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

A spot of grouse shooting? Anybody?
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Only if you treat me special sir.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Well, this could certainly solve the Ulster Unionists' demographic crisis.
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Old 10.09.2014, 10:46
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Why? Shouldn't then the same apply to the no vote? Should we have referenda ad infinitum, or at least until one side gets 75%?
the no side don't want change right now so surely if you want to change you need to get the over whelming majority on your side.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

my 5 Rp worth, * WARNING minor rant alert*

I find the whole thing depressing not because I support No but because of the incompetence and deceit of both sides leaders. The Better Together Leaders took it for granted that it would be an easy No and couldn't be bothered to engage an electorate keen for change and willing to discuss how their country should be run. Ironically the Yes vote has energized voters in the same way as UKIP has in England. As for Salmond and his gang, I can't make up my kind if they're incompetent, liars or both.

However, I am very positive about the democracy discussions I like the fact that Scots have an interest in how their country should be run.

I think an Indy Scotland will definitely succeed in the long term (although I fear medium term pain) but I hope She stays in the UK

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Old 10.09.2014, 11:19
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

A thought that just occurred to me.

If the yes vote wins, will UKIP have to change their name?
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Old 10.09.2014, 11:21
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the no side don't want change right now so surely if you want to change you need to get the over whelming majority on your side.
Again - why?
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Old 10.09.2014, 11:40
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A thought that just occurred to me.

If the yes vote wins, will UKIP have to change their name?
Why - Just because Scotland leaves, that does not mean that there would no longer be a United Kingdom does it?
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a thought that just occurred to me.

If the yes vote wins, will ukip have to change their name?
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Again - why?
The yes team would then have converted 25% of the no team meaning they had proved it was the right thing to do at the right time.

You would then have the over whelming majority agreeing it was the right thing to do and not splitting a nation right down the middle.
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Why - Just because Scotland leaves, that does not mean that there would no longer be a United Kingdom does it?
You mean the United Kingdom of Southern Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

But actually if Scotland leaves there's no Union anymore. So no United Kingdom.
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You mean the United Kingdom of Southern Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

But actually if Scotland leaves there's no Union anymore. So no United Kingdom.
I'm sure Wales and Northern Ireland would disagree with you.
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The yes team would then have converted 25% of the no team meaning they had proved it was the right thing to do at the right time.

You would then have the over whelming majority agreeing it was the right thing to do and not splitting a nation right down the middle.
So according to this logic, 26% of the population should be free to impose their will on the remaining 74%? I'm sure there's a word for that but it isn't democracy.

Plus on your numbers and with the current 50:50 split the Yes team would need to convert 50% of the Noes.
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I'm sure Wales and Northern Ireland would disagree with you.
I understand they would, but both these countries were conquered by England.
The term "United Kingdom" was coined after the kingdoms of England and Scotland decided to unite into one. The Kingdom of England already included Ireland (the whole island) and Wales.
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You mean the United Kingdom of Southern Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

But actually if Scotland leaves there's no Union anymore. So no United Kingdom.
Strictly speaking, should the Scotch vote to go their own way, the United Kingdom should be renamed the "United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland". The prinipality of Wales was incorporated into the Kingdom of England in 1536; Scotland and England subsequently united in 1707 to form the Kingdom of Great Britain; Ireland joined in 1801 to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, which became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland after Irish independence in 1922.

Therefore, UKIP can keep their name if they want.

And a quick FYI; the "Great" in Great Britain simply refers to the largest island of the British Isles archipelago, comprising England, Wales and Scotland, and nothing to do with delusions of grandeur on the part of the Brits.
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