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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Certainly the finance sector will move south. Although the SNP has committed to keeping the pound, the rest of the UK has firmly ruled out currency union with an independent Scotland. That means Scotland will be using a currency over which it has no control, it won't have it's own central bank (which will also stop it getting into the Euro at a future date, if it wants to) and hence no lender of last resort. Banks simply won't take the risk of being headquartered in a country that can't bail them out.

Faslane will also close - the UK won't quarter it's fleet in a foreign country - taking several thousand jobs away from the west of Scotland.

Oil revenues are running out - and it's not clear that all the oil fields currently described as "Scottish" would continue to be so. The sea boundaries between England and Scotland don't currently follow international norms, so the rUK could legitimately ask for them to be redrawn. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the oil companies also moved their admin operations south of the border, in irder to retain access to the EU.

The idea that Scotland can stay in the EU is pie-in-the-sky. There's no precedent for an EU state splitting into two separate states, so the procedures will have to decided from scratch. There's simply no way that Spain, for one, will allow seceding states easy continued access to the EU.

The worst case scenario, of course, is that the EU chucks both parts of the ex-UK out - but that's unlikely given that we're a net contributor.

Assuming that Scots will be allowed dual Scottish/rUK citizenship (and there's no reason why they shouldn't be), I'm afraid I see a significant number simply following their jobs southward and taking their taxes with them.

Whatever happens, the SNP will, of course, just continue to blame the English for everything.
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But Scotland makes it's own laws, it has it's own parliament, and can easily create a different country and still remain within the UK. Salmond should be deported to east Ukraine!
But at the end of they have no recognition out side the UK and are unable to make their own representations.

For instance at the EU, Scotland would be much better able to fight for EU regional funding if they had a seat at the table, a commissioner, veto power and so on.
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Old 24.08.2014, 20:48
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But at the end of they have no recognition out side the UK and are unable to make their own representations.

For instance at the EU, Scotland would be much better able to fight for EU regional funding if they had a seat at the table, a commissioner, veto power and so on.
Nonsense. They have regional MEPs, the same as the rest of the UK, at the moment. There is no way on god's green earth that the Spanish or French will let Scotland have a seat at the table any time before the Scottish economy is totally ruined.
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Old 24.08.2014, 21:16
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Certainly the finance sector will move south. Although the SNP has committed to keeping the pound, the rest of the UK has firmly ruled out currency union with an independent Scotland. That means Scotland will be using a currency over which it has no control, it won't have it's own central bank (which will also stop it getting into the Euro at a future date, if it wants to) and hence no lender of last resort. Banks simply won't take the risk of being headquartered in a country that can't bail them out.

Faslane will also close - the UK won't quarter it's fleet in a foreign country - taking several thousand jobs away from the west of Scotland.

Oil revenues are running out - and it's not clear that all the oil fields currently described as "Scottish" would continue to be so. The sea boundaries between England and Scotland don't currently follow international norms, so the rUK could legitimately ask for them to be redrawn. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the oil companies also moved their admin operations south of the border, in irder to retain access to the EU.

The idea that Scotland can stay in the EU is pie-in-the-sky. There's no precedent for an EU state splitting into two separate states, so the procedures will have to decided from scratch. There's simply no way that Spain, for one, will allow seceding states easy continued access to the EU.

The worst case scenario, of course, is that the EU chucks both parts of the ex-UK out - but that's unlikely given that we're a net contributor.

Assuming that Scots will be allowed dual Scottish/rUK citizenship (and there's no reason why they shouldn't be), I'm afraid I see a significant number simply following their jobs southward and taking their taxes with them.

Whatever happens, the SNP will, of course, just continue to blame the English for everything.
Simple common sense.
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scot...tion-1-2961819

If Britain let Scots keep UK Citizenship. They can revoke that passport once you have Scottish citizenship if they want to. Salmond says you can keep it (like the pound)… the UK say X
I'm in the better together camp but this is just scare mongering by the No campaign. They will have big trouble on their hands if they try to take away British citizenship from the Scottish when they are quite happy to allow for dual citizenship with many other countries.


Also where is the line drawn? Lived in Scotland your whole life and move to Switzerland? Don't get a vote. But get a Scottish passport and your British one taken away if you so wish?
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Old 24.08.2014, 22:35
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Also where is the line drawn? Lived in Scotland your whole life and move to Switzerland? Don't get a vote. But get a Scottish passport and your British one taken away if you so wish?
Perhaps it would be something similar to the rules around when the Irish Free State, Eire, Southern Ireland, Republic of Ireland all that happened.

re Voting, as an expat, you could Vote if you Register(ed)

http://www.electoralcommission.org.u...gistration-day

there is a link in the above for Scotland
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Perhaps it would be something similar to the rules around when the Irish Free State, Eire, Southern Ireland, Republic of Ireland all that happened.

re Voting, as an expat, you could Vote if you Register(ed)

http://www.electoralcommission.org.u...gistration-day

there is a link in the above for Scotland
http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/w...h-independence

Nope. Have to be resident in Scotland. I have a lot of friends who can't vote as they live in England now!
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I like to think that the outcome of this won't affect my day to day life.

I don't think that Scotland should vote "yes" in the referendum, but I think they are free to make their own choices.

I would recommend that everyone who can vote actually does some groundwork and research the pros and cons properly because Alex Salmond is leading them a merry dance.
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Old 24.08.2014, 22:52
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Long Live the People's Republic of Scotland!

Come visit our Exciting Proletarian Paradise!


We have shops!



We have sports facilities!


We have a stoney bridge!





Pls bring dollars and denim jeans.
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Old 24.08.2014, 23:14
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Nonsense. They have regional MEPs, the same as the rest of the UK, at the moment. There is no way on god's green earth that the Spanish or French will let Scotland have a seat at the table any time before the Scottish economy is totally ruined.
That remains to be seen, but given the legal entanglements I'd expect to see an indepentant Scotland at the table very quickly and a veto trumps a MEP any day.
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It will be a big mistake if they vote yes! But it's up to them, it's their mistake to make.

If they do vote yes, then re-build Hadrian's wall I say!
Northumbria and Berwick might be a bit miffed.
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Old 25.08.2014, 02:15
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That remains to be seen, but given the legal entanglements I'd expect to see an indepentant Scotland at the table very quickly and a veto trumps a MEP any day.
Certainly a veto trumps an MEP, but an independent Scotland won't get either any time soon.

Exactly what benefit do you think Scotland brings to the EU that is so compelling that it will convince current veto holders to risk giving succour to their own (in some cases, violent) secessionist factions?
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So when you no longer have an EU passport and are treated as non-EU by Switzerland for a permit…. you'll be ok with that!? No passport/EU questions have been answered as far as I'm aware…… Not that Salmond has any questions answered or proper plan!


In the unlikely case that the EU blocks, Scotland can join EFTA which would welcome a new member. It in a way would be a returnee
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Northumbria and Berwick might be a bit miffed.
Northumberland
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The one think I miss in this entire debate is a clear statement from the NO campaign as to what exactly are the advantages to Scotland of staying in the Union. The entire campaign appears to be based on the premiss bad things will happen if you leave.
Hi Jim2007 - I'm not sure that's the case. The No campaign is based on "better together" which is correct - if Scotland leaves Britain both countries will be weaker on many counts.

For me, the issue is does one really trust Salmond and his gang? In my view he is utterly disingenuous and just wants to be PM at any cost. He isn't honest or has any coherent plan about the currency, defence etc. I also think the No campaign has been weak.

If the Scots really want Independence then as a democrat myself I support their decision but I think it is foolish
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I think that if Scotland decides to stay in the UK, then at the very least they should speak coherent English.
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I think that if Scotland decides to stay in the UK, then at the very least they should speak coherent English.
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Hi Jim2007 - I'm not sure that's the case. The No campaign is based on "better together" which is correct - if Scotland leaves Britain both countries will be weaker on many counts.
For example??? This is where it always stops!!! Solid concrete examples are sadly lacking...

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For me, the issue is does one really trust Salmond and his gang? In my view he is utterly disingenuous and just wants to be PM at any cost. He isn't honest or has any coherent plan about the currency, defence etc. I also think the No campaign has been weak.
I don't know anything of Salmond, but first of all he will not live forever nor will hold power forever, so basing the future of a nation on who will be in charge for say the next five years does not seem very smart.
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I think that if Scotland decides to stay in the UK, then at the very least they should speak coherent English.
And we can start referring to it as Northern Britain
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Northumbria and Berwick might be a bit miffed.
they've already started

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eferendum.html
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