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I was the official NO voice on BBC QT tomorrow and the SNP have forced the invitation to be rescinded
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Actually Ireland remained in the Commonwealth until 1949 and from 1931 Ireland had its own monarchy in personal union with Britain... Although for the most part the Irish government simply choose to ignore both. In fact when it came to Edward VIII's abdication they did not get around to passing their consent until two after the UK. Thus for two days he remained King of Ireland, but not the UK nor the dominions!
Interesting fact that I didn't know.

Imagine if they hadn't ever approved Edward's abdication. That would have caused a split in the line of heritage of the royal family.

Do you know if said monarchs were at the time according to their job description actually kings of Ireland (as in all of Ireland) or specifically of the Free State, with their rule over Northern Ireland being part of their other job?
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Interesting article in the Gruniard by Monbiot

A yes vote in Scotland would unleash the most dangerous thing of all - hope
Independence would carry the potential to galvanise progressive movements across the rest of the UK

George Monbiot
The Guardian, Tuesday 9 September 2014 18.58 BST
The Guardian has been full of articles like these followed by equally hilarious comments underneath written by the very same people that were jumping about and celebrating like lunatics when Blair came to power in '97. This was on the back of "hope" too, and what he achieve? Fwuck all. This paper likes to come across as the voice of social minded intellectuals but how can it be taken seriously when it publishes such blue eyed drivel.

Salmond, like Blair and Cameron is a politician so you can be certain he won't deliver on 90% of his promises. There won't be any "political progressive movements" across the UK, because despite what the Guardian thinks, people just don't give that much of a sh!t. That's just the way of the world.

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Interesting article in the Gruniard by Monbiot

A yes vote in Scotland would unleash the most dangerous thing of all - hope
Independence would carry the potential to galvanise progressive movements across the rest of the UK

George Monbiot
The Guardian, Tuesday 9 September 2014 18.58 BST
The Guardian has been full of articles like these followed by equally hilarious comments underneath written by the very same people that were jumping about and celebrating like lunatics when Blair came to power in '97. This was on the back of "hope" too, and what he achieve? Fwuck all. This paper likes to come across as the voice of social minded intellectuals but how can it be taken seriously when it publishes such blue eyed drivel.

Salmond, like Blair and Cameron is a politician so you can be certain he won't deliver on 90% of his promises. There won't be any "political progressive movements" across the UK, because despite what the Guardian thinks, people just don't give that much of a sh!t. That's just the way of the world.
whatever you think of Salmond and his cronies, do you not think it is a good thing that Scottish people are positively interested in the way their country is run? I am in the No camp but I can see that the Yes camp have galvanized their voters in a positive way. I can fully understand why many Scottish voters are disillusioned with the way Westminster works and "hope" for a better future

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"This is about outcomes, not people.... However, Alex Salmond appears to have only one goal - To be recorded in history books as the man who gave Scotland it's Independence."
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Interesting article in the Gruniard by Monbiot

A yes vote in Scotland would unleash the most dangerous thing of all - hope
Independence would carry the potential to galvanise progressive movements across the rest of the UK

George Monbiot
The Guardian, Tuesday 9 September 2014 18.58 BST


whatever you think of Salmond and his cronies, do you not think it is a good thing that Scottish people are positively interested in the way their country is run? I am in the No camp but I can see that the Yes camp have galvanized their voters in a positive way. I can fully understand why many Scottish voters are disillusioned with the way Westminster works and "hope" for a better future
Of course it’s a fantastic thing Scotland takes an interest in how their country is run, I just can’t stand the utter nonsense that’s being published in order to sway a Yes vote. It’s complete madness to think that an independent Scotland will be some sort of welfare communal utopia which in turn will result in political upheaval elsewhere. This is how some people and papers are trying to sell it.

The Yes camp have achieved a certain degree of success, not by galvanizing their voters in a positive way, rather by selling a fantasy. The way the UK is run from Westminster is far from perfect, however there’s far worse ways in which the country could be run, and I for one think it’s a pretty good system.

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Old 11.09.2014, 11:40
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Of course it’s a fantastic thing Scotland takes an interest in how their country is run, I just can’t stand the utter nonsense that’s being published in order to sway a Yes vote. It’s complete madness to think that an independent Scotland will be some sort of welfare communal utopia which in turn will result in political upheaval elsewhere. This is how some people and papers are trying to sell it.

The Yes camp have achieved a certain degree of success, not by galvanizing their voters in a positive way, rather by selling a fantasy. The way the UK is run from Westminster is far from perfect, however there’s far worse ways in which the country could be run, and I for one think it’s a pretty good system.
George Monbiot writes an awful lot of rubbish most of the time.

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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

what is really shocking, really really shocking, is the people of scotland have no idea at all what they are voting for, We'll tell you afterwards what we'll do, just vote yes. And people are buying into it!!!

I have heard people say nhs pensions are safe, fact. Errrrrmmm how is that a fact exactly? because someone in the yes camp has said it?? just ignore the fact that there is no constitution, no EU laws protecting you, no currency, no central bank etc etc etc

a glowing example of democracy not working.


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George Monbiot writes an awful lot of rubbish most of the time.
Well, George writes .."I am in the No camp "

Is he still talking rubbish?

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Well, George writes .."I am in the No camp "

Is he still talking rubbish?
No. He still talks mostly rubbish. George Galloway and Ed Miliband are also in the No camp; do I agree with their politics? Not in the slightest.

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Of course it’s a fantastic thing Scotland takes an interest in how their country is run, I just can’t stand the utter nonsense that’s being published in order to sway a Yes vote. It’s complete madness to think that an independent Scotland will be some sort of welfare communal utopia which in turn will result in political upheaval elsewhere. This is how some people and papers are trying to sell it.

The Yes camp have achieved a certain degree of success, not by galvanizing their voters in a positive way, rather by selling a fantasy. The way the UK is run from Westminster is far from perfect, however there’s far worse ways in which the country could be run, and I for one think it’s a pretty good system.
I agree but I think the No camp has had a terrible campaign, they could have given good reasons for being Better Together, instead they have been trading on threats and fear.

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Do you know if said monarchs were at the time according to their job description actually kings of Ireland (as in all of Ireland) or specifically of the Free State, with their rule over Northern Ireland being part of their other job?
Ah, they were not Kings of Ireland under the treaty that was signed - they were Kings in Ireland. Now I don't understand the legalese of all this but it seems to have upset both Churchill and Birkenhead afterwards when they realized what they had signed. Apparently it was one last little edit slipped in by the Irish side at the last minute!

In the end the role came down to signing letters of accreditation for the Irish ambassadors and international treaties on behalf of the Irish government.
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I agree but I think the No camp has had a terrible campaign, they could have given good reasons for being Better Together, instead they have been trading on threats and fear.

I think the No camp either didn't take it seriously, writing off salmond as just a nutter who no one would vote for, or they really just don't care.

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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

DC speaking to the financiers yesterday proved to be all well and good although he did go a bit OTT with his speech. My concern is; how about speaking to the Joe public who are desperate to air there thoughts to DC. At least to give them some support and confidence that everything will be okay. Surly he has the guts to speak to an open crowd however unruly they are?
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DC speaking to the financiers yesterday proved to be all well and good although he did go a bit OTT with his speech. My concern is; how about speaking to the Joe public who are desperate to air there thoughts to DC. At least to give them some support and confidence that everything will be okay. Surly he has the guts to speak to an open crowd however unruly they are?
DC doesn't really do 'normal' people very well.

If you haven't eaten an owl and smashed up a bistro, he's not really interested in you.
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DC doesn't really do 'normal' people very well.

If you haven't eaten an owl and smashed up a bistro, he's not really interested in you.
That's part of the reason he's stayed clear of the campaign so far; he knows your average Ned won't relate to him at all.

In other news, have you seen that Murdoch has thrown his oar in with the Yes campaign? Yeah, good luck with that
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Further to my previous post; an interesting article in Forbes magazine.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

So according to this poll in The Mail, most of Scotland geographically speaking wants to remain part of the UK, so why not split it? Worked *kinda* for Ireland. At least this way, the UK gets to keep all that's great about Scotland:- breathtaking countryside and beaches, fantastic golf courses, seafood, salmon, oil, whiskey etc. and whilst the areas that want independence can float off into their and live their perfect existence of fried mars bars, low life expectancy, failed urban renewal programs and heroin dependency

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George Galloway ‏@georgegalloway

I was the official NO voice on BBC QT tomorrow and the SNP have forced the invitation to be rescinded
Thank goodness for that, the last person I would want being associated with Scotland is that oxygen thief.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Anybody watch "Live at the referendum" ? I didn't, but reasonably funny clips from Frankie Boyle and Jack Dee..

Frankie even mentions Switzerland

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