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YES........ go for it 31 50.00%
NO.......... hang on for dear life 31 50.00%
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Old 11.09.2014, 23:27
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

kevin bridges was very good also.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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Nicola Sturgeon - 'Billions' of barrels of oil left

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Nicola Sturgeon says there are "billions" of barrels of oil left in the North Sea, with a value of around a trillion pounds.
She says Scotland must decide how to "best steward" oil development for the next 40, 50, 60 years.
What about in 70, 80, 90 etc years?

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Old 11.09.2014, 23:47
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I agree but I think the No camp has had a terrible campaign, they could have given good reasons for being Better Together, instead they have been trading on threats and fear.
tactically, that's probably a sound plan as fears and doubts will probably do more to get votes than reasoned arguments.
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Old 12.09.2014, 00:52
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There was a BBC report in February about North Sea oil reserves, see here.

It is certainly true that N. Sea oil production has been declining since 1999.

According to this report there are circa 24 Bn barrels left in the N. Sea; of course Govt. only get the tax revenues which is a fraction of the value of the actual oil.
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Thank goodness for that, the last person I would want being associated with Scotland is that oxygen thief.
I can't stand him either but he's an excellent and passionate public speaker and makes excellent points.

Just like being a hypocrite doesn't make one wrong. Being an asshole doesn't mean you're wrong either.
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Old 12.09.2014, 02:37
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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There was a BBC report in February about North Sea oil reserves, see here.

It is certainly true that N. Sea oil production has been declining since 1999.

According to this report there are circa 24 Bn barrels left in the N. Sea; of course Govt. only get the tax revenues which is a fraction of the value of the actual oil.
Over the past 10 years, North Sea Scottish oil production has halved in the average annual quantity extracted. Some big losses in production were the result of fires on the oil rigs.

Obviously the remaining oil reserves will only be extracted if it is economical to do so, and nobody can really predict the extraction rate over the next years with any certainty. As the oil price rises, then new, more expensive, methods of extraction might be used to extract a bit more. But generally it is agreed the best years have gone and will not return.

There are however gas reserves under most of western Scotland, which haven't been exploited yet.

How the SNP can report the expert appraisal was out by about 60% is beyond normal understanding.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Latest YouGov poll, http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29151798

No 50%, Yes 45%, undecided 6%. (results are still too close to be certain)

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotl...s/poll-tracker
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I really enjoyed the Big, Big Debate last night, it was interesting to see so many younger voters taking such an interest.

I thought the Scottish Tory did pretty well, much to my surprise and was astonished to see her on the same side as Gorgeous George, hat and all. I see now how much the YES vote is dependent on Salmond for much of its drive and punch as I thought Sturgeon was awful. I couldn't take Patrick Harvie seriously after his cheap shot at GG. Where was the Labour panellist?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

this is well worth a read:

Polling Observatory Scottish referendum special: who is ahead and how close is it?:

http://sotonpolitics.org/2014/09/12/...w-close-is-it/
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Old 13.09.2014, 20:22
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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I can't stand him either but he's an excellent and passionate public speaker and makes excellent points.

Just like being a hypocrite doesn't make one wrong. Being an asshole doesn't mean you're wrong either.
Hate is a strong word word but I really do hate this guy and firmly believe the world would be a better place without the likes of him.

However, and I hate to admit it, but like you say he is good at what he does.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Now that the fateful day draws near the debate seems to have heated up.


Was wondering..... would it be possible to re-open the poll?

Have the positions of those who originally voted changed?

Mods....??
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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Now that the fateful day draws near the debate seems to have heated up.


Was wondering..... would it be possible to re-open the poll?

Have the positions of those who originally voted changed?

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Agree, in light of Sir Ian Woods statement, the RBS, standard life, Asda etc, I am sure the no vote would increase.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

The Bank of England states that the proposed Scottish assets are woefully inadequate to use a foreign currency such as the pound.

Denmark which pegs the Krone to the Euro hold twice as much in reserve, and Hong Kong holds 10 times more in reserve.

So Mr Salmond, I think it's time you went and had a little talk with your finance minister. I don't understand it completely but I am sure he does!

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/he...163501981.html
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Now that the fateful day draws near the debate seems to have heated up.


Was wondering..... would it be possible to re-open the poll?

Have the positions of those who originally voted changed?

Mods....??
As almost none of us are permitted to vote, and the forecast ist 50-50 I see no point in a straw poll with a very mall sample.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I live in Scotland and the Yes campaign are everywhere these days, they have done a remarkable job getting people's hopes up with promises of endless riches.

The supporters of NO I believe are far more and will win by far, we just dont parade the streets like idiots painting our kids with colours to demonstrate our views.

No matter what happens the UK won't be the same. Too much hatred again st the English everywhere and also great division between the people of Scotland. They really managed to f**k a country up in less than 3 years.

All successful referendums have 90%+ support, they want to break the Union with 50% +1 vote if possible. I wonder how that idiot Cameron allowed something like that in the first place. So they'll enforce something on half the population against their will and that's democracy? This isn't an election where we change our minds in 4 years, it's forever.

In most countries changing the constitution needs 2/3s but breaking up a country doesn't. That's truly insane.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

There will be 50% plus one happy People and 50% less one unhappy people . Not a good outcome What happened when two die the next day from the 50% plus one
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No matter what happens the UK won't be the same. Too much hatred again st the English everywhere and also great division between the people of Scotland. They really managed to f**k a country up in less than 3 years.
Who did that, the Scottish independence campaign?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Of course, who else spouts venom every minute and day against London and England?

Have you read any comments under the articles in all the newspapers?

Literally thousands of posts where Englishmen really hope Scotland 'pisses off' as they can't stand the accusations any more. Some also said they will sabotage Scottish products from now on, no matter the outcome.

Even within the country, there are many people who are afraid to put a No sticker to the car/house window in fear of a brick flying in. I was personally appalled yesterday from a taxi driver who campaigned for Yes as soon as I entered the cab. When I asked him if he trusts Salmond he said 'Hell NO' and then I asked him how will you let someone you dont trust decide your country's future in the negotiations? He gave me a shitty answer that Salmond won't be there forever and that they can vote him out if they want.

The fact that negotiations would happen only once and under Salmond seemed to elude him.

Also, have you read their 'day of reckoning' speech by Sillars? How does that sound for a new country? Alienating the majority of companies in Scotland, forcing them to send their HQ and workforce south even before the last vote is counted.

Edit: Just an example is here http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...ard-2014_09_13

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...t-deepest.html

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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I made the divided country argument to a yes voter the other day who said although it isn't ideal for any side to win with such slim margins; a slim yes win would be more representative than the current situation where there is only one Scottish conservative MP in Westminster.

Of course that's why Scotland needs more devolved powers in their parliament.

I'd vote no just to wipe that smug smile off Salmond's stupid face.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

It is ridiculous to vote for something that critical without aiming for at least 70% of a country's votes. In case of 50-55% win it means that the rest of the country is just dragged to a situation they didn't want. Normally that's acceptable because you have 4 years to gather your troops and win back.

In this case, you only have one chance and that's it. No going back. So 49 out of 100 people will either up and leave or be miserable for the rest of their lives. What an outcome!

When other countries voted to be free a 90%+ win was always the expected outcome. I just can't see how this can work honestly, everyone who can will flee to England, property market will crash as highly-paid professionals leave (me included) and not enough buyers will be around.

And all that for a guy with no plan about anything: currency, defence, economic policy, EU, Nato etc. What a shame...proud Scots will see their young kids leave the country in droves to get a decent job south or abroad. And with the latest Sillars comments about nationalisign BP and taking revenge on banks I can't see much of the financial services jobs staying there with no regulator or central bank!!

The prouder you are, the harder the fall.
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