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View Poll Results: Would you favour Scotland opting for indepence from UK
YES........ go for it 31 50.00%
NO.......... hang on for dear life 31 50.00%
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So here is a thought, the Northern Ireland agreement includes the right for a referendum on the Union and I wonder if the UK politicians will go all out in the same way when that comes up, which it almost certainly will at some point the future....
I doubt it. Unlike Scotland, Northern Ireland would be missed by precisely zero British politicians if it was lost to the union.

Of course, by then NI will be full of disgruntled Scottish unionists, so we'd have no chance of being shot of the bloody province...
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

US coverage on the Scottish independence vote.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25...dependence_fun
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Cameron, Milliband and Clegg.

What a pathetic trio of tossers.

Take your future in your own hands and decide your own destiny.
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Old 16.09.2014, 22:18
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

We should never doubt in credibility of the EF as a source of genuine information. At least our poll result is not that far out from the official statistics: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-election.html

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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Do you not think that David Cameron in one brilliant move, destroyed the opposition Labour party and got rid of 5,295,000 whingeing ungrateful citizens?

You only have to look at Ireland to see how things might have turned out if the UK was using the Euro.

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Do you not think that David Cameron in one brilliant move, destroyed the opposition Labour party and got rid of 10 million whingeing ungrateful citizens?

You only have to look at Ireland to see how things might have turned out if the UK was using the Euro.
...got rid of 10 million whingeing ungrateful citizens? ...

Is that your verdict on the Scots?


..You only have to look at Ireland to see how things might have turned out if the UK was using the Euro..

Is this the long-term prognosis of that sad episode?
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...got rid of 10 million whingeing ungrateful citizens? ...

Is that your verdict on the Scots?
There's only five million of them.

Perhaps he's talking about Londoners?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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That is a huge if.
And why look at Ireland and not Austria or the Netherlands?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

According to today's papers the Yes campaign will send individual letters to over 1M pensioners today; any idea where the funding for this campaign comes from?
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That is a huge if.
And why look at Ireland and not Austria or the Netherlands?
Well Ireland is an English speaking country that used to be part of the UK and has a population circa 5M
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I made an error, and corrected the figure to 5,295,000 citizens (2011 figures) but then the vote will be about 50-50, so maybe I should have written 2,600,000 whingeing citizens.

To me Gordon Brown left a very good impression tonight. A passionate Scot, a very caring man. Explaining that Scotland receives more pension money and more health care per head than the UK average, because there is a need.

Then Salmond arrived and left an impression that he is a very skilled politician, but with little substance. When challenged by Dimbleby he always replied, that the item will be negotiated over the next 15 months. So Scotland will be voting on his predictions of successful negotiations?

On the BBC news we see the SNP claiming it is Westminster's reduction of the NHS budget which is causing concern. The Conservatives are reducing the budget everywhere, (Not a good idea!) and already Scotland has more money than any other area.

So yes, Scottish politicians are whingeing, when they should be looking to the future, about where the money will come from, for the existing institutions and infrastructure after 2016. Salmond even suggested Scottish taxes would be reduced after 2016. We shall see whom is correct.

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Ireland has enormous debts after their financial meltdown. If it had not gone into the Euro, it would not have been sucked into the mire. The London economists predicted in the early 1990's that the Euro would fail - they predicted higher unemployment and the effects of inflation in southern European countries. Today they are predicting SNP policies will achieve the same results, and the SNP calls them liars!
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According to today's papers the Yes campaign will send individual letters to over 1M pensioners today; any idea where the funding for this campaign comes from?
Well, you can google it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9735514.html

Until the Harry Potter author stepped in, yes had received way more money in donations.

Nothing scandalous.
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Well Ireland is an English speaking country that used to be part of the UK and has a population circa 5M
But the post to which I was replying mentioned the UK, not Scotland, so I don't see why the population is relevant.
So it's only the language?
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That is a huge if.
And why look at Ireland and not Austria or the Netherlands?
Because Ireland is closest to Scotland, in culture and in size, and King Salmond thought he could use the Euro as the Scottish currency.

Ireland's problems were exacerbated by copying some US shenanigans. A bank would borrow, say €100 million, from the central bank, then lend out maybe €200 million to customers, hoping for a fat profit. All over Ireland are the visible results. Builders took loans and built at their risk, small estates of houses, about 20 to 30, in a field, near a town. After the Euro crisis the Bank called in the loans and the builders were left with half finished houses and no money to complete them. The banks were left with bad debts! All over southern Ireland are these estates, without windows and doors, but usually with 4 walls and a roof. Nobody wants to live there with no neighbours and the ugly buildings around them, so they cannot be sold. In some places these half finished houses are being demolished. (I don't know why, or who is paying)
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Whingeing is part of politics nowadays, game of negotiations and intimidations, reminder to stress importance of one nation living within other nation (which in any event both UK and Scotland practically constitute one nation except for rugby teams). They are not feeling fully in control of their political future, they want to be heard, they need to vent out. Perhaps they bear historical grudge and something like possibility of emotional vote can only restore proud national eagles. Let anyone freely vote and let's only hope that sanity will prevail for a better more structured future. There is a lot at stake if chosen wrongly and one needs to preserve a face towards the rest of EU that there is one coherent nation without countries falling apart.

Think of spoilt brat whining about not getting his beloved toy and parents should jump up and down, who wants to blackmail their parents that he is leaving home going away. Sometimes you give him a finger but not the whole arm and elbow.
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That is a huge if.
And why look at Ireland and not Austria or the Netherlands?
Leaving Germany out of the equation because they had enough assets to weather the Euro crisis, please name one country in Europe that is in better shape than the UK?

Answer; Norway, not in the EU, not in the Euro, invested it's oil profits in the national pension fund.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

For those who asked about previous referendums, norm is to have an absolute majority like 80-90%+:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...ndence-88-time
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For those who asked about previous referendums, norm is to have an absolute majority like 80-90%+:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...ndence-88-time
Switzerland and Germany (And others?) have a constitutional court, that decide if matters should be changed. So the UK loses out on any serious expert opinion. This has probably contributed to the hysteria in Scotland today: nobody trusts the politicians, whom are in control of the population.

Unfortunately British politicians hate proportional representation and persist in the "First past the post" which equates to a simple majority.

I suspect the Queen will declare a national emergency on Friday, and Salmond will be put in the Tower of London. Nobody has thought of that one have they? She still has a few big houses in Scotland!
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Cameron, Milliband and Clegg.

What a pathetic trio of tossers.

Take your future in your own hands and decide your own destiny.

What shocked me was Mr Cameron first getting up with a tearful speech telling the Scots please stay with us and then making a speech THREATENING them


Looks as if Mr Cameron regards Scotland as just another colony of the Empire AND is clearly panicking
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Switzerland and Germany (And others?) have a constitutional court, that decide if matters should be changed. So the UK loses out on any serious expert opinion. This has probably contributed to the hysteria in Scotland today: nobody trusts the politicians, whom are in control of the population.

Unfortunately British politicians hate proportional representation and persist in the "First past the post" which equates to a simple majority.

I suspect the Queen will declare a national emergency on Friday, and Salmond will be put in the Tower of London. Nobody has thought of that one have they? She still has a few big houses in Scotland!
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