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Old 17.09.2014, 19:01
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What about all those people who moved abroad but didn't deregister and still got a polling card in the post at their parent's place and if they voted it would technically be voter fraud?

Not naming names....
Interesting point, I assume the people elible to vote are those who live in Scotland and are registered to vote?
So the Scots who live abroad should not vote and the English (for example) who live in Scotland can vote?
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Old 17.09.2014, 19:02
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Should Scotland be an independent country?

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Old 17.09.2014, 19:10
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As I said before, I wasn't having a go, I have no idea where you are from and thought Marton was possibly of Hungarian extraction.

Even the generic "you" isn't really covering me at the moment since I don't live there and cannot vote.

As a part of the greater Scottish diaspora, my (irrelevant!) preferred choices would be to form a new Scottish currency and remain outside of the EU with bilateral agreements. However, I realise this is not currently the direction the SNP wish to go. There is an election for the Scottish parliament in 2016 though, so this is all changeable.
I was born in England but I have three nationalities.
If Scotland decides to stay out of the EU then they need to have or develop some unique attributes to have a successful economy. There are too many countries already offering financial services, tourism is always good. Oil and gas are probably only relatively short term solutions.

I suppose they could cancel their copyright laws and offer on-line servicJes in a big way?
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I was born in England but I have three nationalities.
If Scotland decides to stay out of the EU then they need to have or develop some unique attributes to have a successful economy. There are too many countries already offering financial services, tourism is always good. Oil and gas are probably only relatively short term solutions.

I suppose they could cancel their copyright laws and offer on-line servicJes in a big way?
They could always send Runrig on a global tour and tax them
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

The Economists at oilandgaspeople.com estimate that based on tax receipts of between £6.4billion & £7.2billion per annum from Scottish oil, that if £2.8billion of this revenue was allocated to investing in a sovereign fund similar to Norway, the fund would total £147billion within 25 years, thus securing Scotland's future for the 21st century.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...47bn-1-3544732

Scottish independence will ensure for the 1st time that Scotland will see the benefits of being an oil rich nation.

The revenues will only be required to be split among 5 million of a population, rather than that of 'Great' Britain's 62 million.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

At least it's over soon and we don't hear about it any more.

A fight against common sense can be so tiring.
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If the 'Yes' vote wins, I suppose the Scottish fishermen can go out and fish where they like.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Yes, I've seen the chains they have on their legs just now myself. The British overlords will be cast out and Irn Bru will flow from the fountains...



P.S I hope No wins with more than a paltry 5%
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Old 18.09.2014, 01:35
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The Economists at oilandgaspeople.com estimate that based on tax receipts of between £6.4billion & £7.2billion per annum from Scottish oil, that if £2.8billion of this revenue was allocated to investing in a sovereign fund similar to Norway, the fund would total £147billion within 25 years, thus securing Scotland's future for the 21st century.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...47bn-1-3544732

Scottish independence will ensure for the 1st time that Scotland will see the benefits of being an oil rich nation.

The revenues will only be required to be split among 5 million of a population, rather than that of 'Great' Britain's 62 million.
The article says "The economists allowed £5 billion of these (annual) receipts to be invested back into the Scottish economy in order to ‘balance the books’, leaving between £1.4bn and £2.8bn to be invested into a wealth fund each year."
But the total annual receipts for the last two years were only around £5B so where does the rest come from?
Also assuming the reserves will last for 25 years is optimistic.
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"The one thing which is absolutely vital to understand is that every independent commentator, every governor of the Bank of England, every representative of the Institute of Financial Studies is wrong according to Alex Salmond," Sir Menzies Campbell


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Yes, I've seen the chains they have on their legs just now myself. The British overlords will be cast out and Irn Bru will flow from the fountains...



P.S I hope No wins with more than a paltry 5%
My preference is yes but in any case I hope that whichever side wins the gap is at least 5%.
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Old 18.09.2014, 10:02
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My preference is yes but in any case I hope that whichever side wins the gap is at least 5%.
I believe the yes will win simply because they are more motivated to vote and I suspect many on the no side will not bother to vote.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

It's already a farce that such a monumental vote does not require an overwhelming majority. Less than 5% would turn it into comedy.

Given that the UK electoral commission gives expats a bore in general electives if you were on the electoral role within the last 15 years, what's the justification for 'eck excluding expats without residence?
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It's already a farce that such a monumental vote does not require an overwhelming majority. Less than 5% would turn it into comedy.
Yeah, this democracy thing stinks.

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Given that the UK electoral commission gives expats a bore in general electives if you were on the electoral role within the last 15 years, what's the justification for 'eck excluding expats without residence?
This is slightly frustrating, as I think our futures are also in the balance and it does affect us. But given that there is currently no Scottish nationality, it cannot be limited to Scots, so limiting it to people living in Scotland is probably the fairest choice.
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I believe the yes will win simply because they are more motivated to vote and I suspect many on the no side will not bother to vote.
Indications are this could be one of the highest turnouts ever for a UK vote. I am pretty sure both are highly motivated. Unlike most elections where the don't knows don't actually vote either, I believe here they often will and the whole vote may turn on how their emotions drive them when faced with a ballot paper.
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Yeah, this democracy thing stinks.
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Supermajorities are a long established part of the democratic system and common in cases where constitutional changes are proposed, although there is no constitution here I don't think anyone could argue that this vote does not have the same or greater level of impact.
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Supermajorities are a long established part of the democratic system and common in cases where constitutional changes are proposed, although there is no constitution here I don't think anyone could argue that this vote does not have the same or greater level of impact.
Supermajorities are usually only accepted where needed to protect the rights of a minority. I don't see that issue here.
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Supermajorities are usually only accepted where needed to protect the rights of a minority. I don't see that issue here.
which is why I highlighted constitutional changes
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Old 18.09.2014, 14:22
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Yeah, this democracy thing stinks.



This is slightly frustrating, as I think our futures are also in the balance and it does affect us. But given that there is currently no Scottish nationality, it cannot be limited to Scots, so limiting it to people living in Scotland is probably the fairest choice.
Quite strange; I was just watching an interview where some English people were going to vote and telling the reporter that they will vote yes.
I find this quite Kafkaesque.
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I believe the yes will win simply because they are more motivated to vote and I suspect many on the no side will not bother to vote.
This is poppycock.
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