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YES........ go for it 31 50.00%
NO.......... hang on for dear life 31 50.00%
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Old 25.08.2014, 14:13
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Your poll is clearly biased, as is so often the case here. If you want to give a simple yes/no then fine, but your extra criteria are ridiculous.

Also you need to include other options, like C) No, there's simply no reason to do so, D) Yes, but only if we keep the pound, E) Yes, but only if we can choose to keep our UK citizenship, and probably the most likely answer for most of the people here F) I don't really care, as I live in Switzerland, not the UK.
Are the voters of Scotland being given these options to choose from?

If not, I don't see what's misrepresentative about the original poll
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For example??? This is where it always stops!!! Solid concrete examples are sadly lacking...

I don't know anything of Salmond, but first of all he will not live forever nor will hold power forever, so basing the future of a nation on who will be in charge for say the next five years does not seem very smart.
I was careful to say Salmond and his gang! I know he won't be around forever.

I agree there are not many concrete examples given out and that's why I mentioned that the "better together" campaign is poor.

There are many examples of "weakening" but for Scotland here is one: an indy Scotland, like many small economies, will probably face higher interest rates and taxes, higher costs and greater financial instability than the rest of the UK.
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Old 25.08.2014, 14:19
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Northumbria and Berwick might be a bit miffed.
Well, Mr Obama could fly to Berwick and say in a loud voice "Mr Salmond, tear down this wall".

It worked last time, I think, except for the jelly doughnut who got shot in Dallas.
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Old 25.08.2014, 14:52
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For example??? This is where it always stops!!! Solid concrete examples are sadly lacking...



I don't know anything of Salmond, but first of all he will not live forever nor will hold power forever, so basing the future of a nation on who will be in charge for say the next five years does not seem very smart.
This is the big problem people are forgetting. The idiot that is Salmond will not be around but what this fool is trying to do will last forever and potentially ruin a nation forever.
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Old 25.08.2014, 15:06
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This is the big problem people are forgetting. The idiot that is Salmond will not be around but what this fool is trying to do will last forever and potentially ruin a nation forever.
I would suggest the only nation ruined will be rUK, which will condemned to a Tory reign for the next century.

Whether independence makes Scotland a better or worse place to live, at least it will be a place which bases its decisions on its own citizens, not people 500 miles away in Westminister.

As we all live in Switzerland, we can surely see the organisational benefits of trying to manage a small country, rather than the large bloated bureaucracy of Great Britain or the USA.

I don't hate England or anything of the sort, and hope relations can remain civil and above the neanderthal ramblings of the politicians, but Scotland culturally is so different to England, it hardly makes sense to classify us as the same country anyway.
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Old 25.08.2014, 15:12
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I don't hate England or anything of the sort, and hope relations can remain civil and above the neanderthal ramblings of the politicians, but Scotland culturally is so different to England, it hardly makes sense to classify us as the same country anyway.
Problem is, I think, that many Yes-voters do indeed hate the English, and that is their sole reason for intending to vote for separation. They probably don't realise that they will also be separating themselves from Wales and N.Ireland too. I'm in 2 minds; on one hand I would hate to see the break up of the Union, but then again, I say let them go on their own and let them screw it up completely. Salmond is a nasty, petty, anglophobic slime ball, IMHO.
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Problem is, I think, that many Yes-voters do indeed hate the English, and that is their sole reason for intending to vote for separation. They probably don't realise that they will also be separating themselves from Wales and N.Ireland too. I'm in 2 minds; on one hand I would hate to see the break up of the Union, but then again, I say let them go on their own and let them screw it up completely. Salmond is a nasty, petty, anglophobic slime ball, IMHO.
I also don't like Salmond, but his time in charge will likely be fleeting.

Perhaps Wales and Norn Irn will also go their own way and we can re-join for the new country "BBoGB or Best Bits of Great Britain".
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Old 25.08.2014, 15:17
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I'm in 2 minds; on one hand I would hate to see the break up of the Union, but then again, I say let them go on their own and let them screw it up completely.
This is my view too. I was very upset at the thought of a split at first as I consider us all the same (Eng, NIre, Scot, Wal) but just a little different.

Now I think, if you hate being with us so much, then sod off and I hope it's a disaster for you!
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Old 25.08.2014, 15:22
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This is my view too. I was very upset at the thought of a split at first as I consider us all the same (Eng, NIre, Scot, Wal) but just a little different.

Now I think, if you hate being with us so much, then sod off and I hope it's a disaster for you!

Perhaps its this sort of contempt which prompts the YES vote in the first pleace.
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I also don't like Salmond, but his time in charge will likely be fleeting.

Perhaps Wales and Norn Irn will also go their own way and we can re-join for the new country "BBoGB or Best Bits of Great Britain".
Again they're is the problem, Salmond won't be around in the future but the damage he is doing now will be.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

BBC news reports on the five big unanswered questions concerning the separation,

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28870669

... and reports on the small benefits to Britain if Scotland leaves,

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28192293

The effect of Scotland - and its population - leaving the UK would be a small increase in GDP per head of some £117.

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I don't hate England or anything of the sort, and hope relations can remain civil and above the neanderthal ramblings of the politicians, but Scotland culturally is so different to England, it hardly makes sense to classify us as the same country anyway.
Not sure I understand this, we're not the same country at present and never will be, union or no union.
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Perhaps its this sort of contempt which prompts the YES vote in the first pleace.
NO, I love the Scots and Scotland! I don't want a split. But the Scots seem to hate the English, so much so they'll vote YES with no clue how it's going to work… and eventually it gets a bit annoying.
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Again they're is the problem, Salmond won't be around in the future but the damage he is doing now will be.
Only if you believe that the political system we implement will be so brittle, it will crack under a change of leadership. That seems unlikely to me.

I can see him burdening Scotland with overly socialist policies perhaps, but that is nothing that couldn't be reigned back as needs be, when for example oil starts running dry.

By that stage however, I expect we will be world leaders in alternative energy, so hopefully that will go a long way to making up the shortfall.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Every nation gets the government it deserves...

Let's see what the Scots deserve come the result of the vote.

IMO they are fools to vote yes and, whenever I have spoken to someone who is in the "yes" camp, it is usually about getting rid of the English than any real advantage of being independent and usually thoughts don't go much beyond that.

Ill thought through, ill advised: cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
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Not sure I understand this, we're not the same country at present and never will be, union or no union.
To all intents and purposes we are. What passport do you have again?
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To all intents and purposes we are. What passport do you have again?
United Kingdom is not a country.
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Old 25.08.2014, 15:34
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United Kingdom is not a country.
Right, don't see the point you are making. Great Britain is the country we currently belong to.

I'm glad you also acknowledge our differences to ENG, WAL, NI and therefore deserve our own right to self-determination.
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Only if you believe that the political system we implement will be so brittle, it will crack under a change of leadership. That seems unlikely to me.

I can see him burdening Scotland with overly socialist policies perhaps, but that is nothing that couldn't be reigned back as needs be, when for example oil starts running dry.

By that stage however, I expect we will be world leaders in alternative energy, so hopefully that will go a long way to making up the shortfall.
So why vote Yes now, why not wait till there is someone intelligent in place who can work with the UK government to make sure all the boxes are ticked and it can be done properly with the help of the UK instead of being selfish and doing it on the back of watching braveheart too many times.
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Right, don't see the point you are making. Great Britain is the country we currently belong to.

I'm glad you also acknowledge our differences to ENG, WAL, NI and therefore deserve our own right to self-determination.
Since when did Britain become a country?
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