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YES........ go for it 31 50.00%
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What about the No campaigner arrested for kicking a pregnant yes campaigner in the stomach ?


What about the no campaigner arrested at a polling station yesterday for intimidation?
from my brother - who lives in Glasgow, and voted yesterday

"The yes campaign had bigger and more posters everywhere, they bombarded social media with some interesting and ridiculous facts, certain aspects were very intimidating, you got accosted by yes campaigners every time you went out. "

Oh, and at the beginning we has very much a Yes man
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Seriously? You both needed this referendum to realise that?

Yup. I never thought about it before. I was always just "English". The "United Kingdom" was a political entity, but it had no particular emotional pull.


Then, after I'd ranted and raved at the third foreign colleague to casually ask me what I thought about "this Scotland thing", I suddenly came to realise that the United Kingdom actually means quite a lot to me after all.


I still reserve the right to take the piss out of Scotland at every opportunity, but you're allowed to do that with family.
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Old 19.09.2014, 12:34
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Ignorant clown
Takes one to know one...

I think there is a grain of truth in what Sbrinz was saying. My impression is that nationalistic attitude of the Yes camp was such to imply that if you didn't vote "yes" you were "not truly Scottish".

Hence I think the various polls along the way showed a smaller gap between the two groups than the final outcome.

I couldn't help but think, as ~88% of the populace turned out, that if they had that kind of turnout for the general election results might be more *cough* representative...
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what a nice fellow you are
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from my brother - who lives in Glasgow, and voted yesterday

"The yes campaign had bigger and more posters everywhere, they bombarded social media with some interesting and ridiculous facts, certain aspects were very intimidating, you got accosted by yes campaigners every time you went out. "

Oh, and at the beginning we has very much a Yes man




Good for your brother.


I was in Scotland for 4 days last week and was never accosted or intimidated once.
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Old 19.09.2014, 12:37
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Good for your brother.


I was in Scotland for 4 days last week and was never accosted or intimidated once.

that's nice

(he lives in Glasgow btw)
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Old 19.09.2014, 12:38
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Good for your brother.


I was in Scotland for 4 days last week and was never accosted or intimidated once.

You seem to be very angry about something, maybe go have a cuppa tea and calm down
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Good for your brother.


I was in Scotland for 4 days last week and was never accosted or intimidated once.

Yeah, but when you look so much like the Great Leader, people are sure to give you a wide berth:


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You seem to be very angry about something, maybe go have a cuppa tea and calm down
Got some English Breakfast Tetley i can offer you.
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Old 19.09.2014, 12:41
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Got some English Breakfast Tetley i can offer you.

can you batter and deep fry it?
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I think there is a grain of truth in what Sbrinz was saying. My impression is that nationalistic attitude of the Yes camp was such to imply that if you didn't vote "yes" you were "not truly Scottish".
It raises an interesting point.

What does it mean to truly be Scottish? Is there actually currently such a thing...legally/politically certainly not.

Does it mean that if you supported the right for Scotland to exist as a nationality / separate entity you want to actually be Scottish?

Does it mean if you voted to deny Scotland being born as a nation you are not truly Scottish?

Currently, saying I am Scottish is equivalent to saying I am a Geordie, we are both just regions of the UK.

I guess it is fairly immaterial now, but logic would say to me if you didn't support Scotland's independence, you are British first and Scottish (or Welsh, or Geordie in similar circumstances) second?
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It raises an interesting point.

What does it mean to truly be Scottish?
It is interesting.

However, I would say that out of all the UK nations, the English have the weakest identity IMO of "what it means to by X".

But while the points you raise are valid, I can't help but feel they are nothing new and many countries across Europe struggle - some less, some more - to do the same.

Have I effectively side-stepped your question?
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Got some English Breakfast Tetley i can offer you.
If its the watered down crap they sell here, no thanks, I bring my own back when I go home.
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but logic would say to me if you didn't support Scotland's independence, you are British first and Scottish (or Welsh, or Geordie in similar circumstances) second?

Why?? the majority of people in scotland are not scottish then by that logic????

Or

They just saw that the Yes campaign was seriously flawed and would leave them worse off

its an imaginary line on a map, nothing more, nothing less
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It is interesting.

However, I would say that out of all the UK nations, the English have the weakest identity IMO of "what it means to by X".
I don't think we do, I just always thought that we feel less of a need to shout about it
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..., the NO people writing they wished Andy Murray had died during the Dunblane massacre.
Despicable, utterly horrible

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It has also shown the good sides of Scotland too though, I doubt even the staunchest NO supporter could have stifled a chuckle when the Westminister MPs were greeted by a fella on his rickshaw blasting the Imperial March at them, even if his patter wasn't the best after the first few minutes.
That was inspired
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I'm glad we're still Great Britain instead of just Britain.
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the NO people writing they wished Andy Murray had died during the Dunblane massacre.
very nasty indeed, but andy murray is a prime example of why sports people shouldn't be allowed to speak in public, he spends years trying to win over the British public, then goes and screws it all up by saying anyone but england in the football, then just when people are beginning to forgive him for it he tweets about rather playing for scotland, mate, hand that feeds you, hand that feeds you.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

The whole thing has certainly stirred the pot. Very few English people were aware of the Barnett formula before, but are VERY 'au fait' with the figures now and won't be happy if it is tweeked again in favour of Scotts- especially in areas like the North East which has suffered so much due to the loss of traiditional industries, etc:

From The Telepgraph:


Many MPs who represent English constituencies, have called for reform of the Barnett Formula, which sets public spending in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The controversial device allocates spending according to population size rather than the amount each country actually needs.
Critics say this gives Scotland an unfair share of government spending and even Lord Barnett has called for it to be replaced.
According to research at Stirling University, England loses around 4.5 billion of public spending every year because the money is handed to Scotland instead.
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very nasty indeed, but andy murray is a prime example of why sports people shouldn't be allowed to speak in public, he spends years trying to win over the British public, then goes and screws it all up by saying anyone but england in the football, then just when people are beginning to forgive him for it he tweets about rather playing for scotland, mate, hand that feeds you, hand that feeds you.
To be fair, the "anyone but England" phrase was taken very much out of context; it was a jokey comment as a riposte to a Mirror journo and Tim Henman winding him up about Scotland yet again not qualifying for a major tournament. Was anyone really surprised that he supported the Yes campaign?
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