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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that, surprise surprise, the UK politicians are being somewhat economical with the truth. They can say what they like now in campaign mode in the hope of putting voters off, but it's still more likely than not that a currency union will happen, even if that's only for a fixed agreed period.
The government will do what the markets would prefer them to, and that is likely to be negotiating a currency union for a period of time which a) keeps the oil in the Sterling balance of payments for this period, allowing readjustment, and doesn't immediately double their deficit, b) Scotland accepting its fair share of the debt, after negotiations. The UK government would positively shit itself at the prospect of losing a relatively large source of income and 10% of its GDP and at the same time not losing 10% of its debt. Then at some agreed point in the future, we have a Scottish Pound. Stirling!

And if they really do hold to their promises, then we'll have some problems for a while and use sterling unofficially while we set up our own currency, but the UK would be in a serious financial mess too, don't forget. It suits both parties to work out an agreement.
Again it's from the BBC, (but I don't think they have any axe to grind)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28192293

Look at "Economy": they predict that new Britain would expect £117 GNP (Per Capita per year) increase after the separation. Can I presume that Scotland would itself therefore lose a lot more than £117 in GNP (Per head of population, per year)?

I look forward to the big debate!
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Again it's from the BBC, (but I don't think they have any axe to grind)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28192293

Look at "Economy": they predict that new Britain would expect £117 GNP increase after the separation. Can I presume that Scotland would itself therefore lose a lot more than £117 in GNP?

I look forward to the big debate!
Assume there are some zeros missing here. Otherwise I'll pay them £117 to shut up about the whole thing.
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Old 25.08.2014, 20:16
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Assume there are some zeros missing here. Otherwise I'll pay them £117 to shut up about the whole thing.
GNP is often quoted per head of population, which is what the article means.
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GNP is often quoted per head of population, which is what the article means.
Statistics often are nonsense. For instance, if Scotland leaves the UK a male citizen of the UK will live nearly 5 months longer. Figure that!!

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But if Scotland left the effect would only be a small statistical shift, with men gaining a potential extra 0.4 years (4.8 months) and women 0.3 years (3.6 months).
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It's not "your" pound. It's the UK's pound. If Scotland votes to leave the UK, it cannot expect the remaining UK countries to allow a foreign power to have a say in their domestic monetary policy. You're not being "denied" anything. You're choosing to leave.

Switzerland and Liechtenstein have a currency union because both sides agreed to it. The UK has made it quite clear that it will not agree to currency union with a foreign country. The sovereign will of the people of England, Wales and NI cannot be overriden just because it doesn't suit the Scots.

Just like the Scottish "people" voted to join the Union in 1707?

Or like the Aussies, or Kiwis, or Canadians, or Irish, or Indians, or Pakistanis, or Singaporeans, or Americans voted to leave?

Why don't you ask them if they would like to rejoin?
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Just like the Scottish "people" voted to join the Union in 1707?

Or like the Aussies, or Kiwis, or Canadians, or Irish, or Indians, or Pakistanis, or Singaporeans, or Americans voted to leave?

Why don't you ask them if they would like to rejoin?
Americans… would you like to become part of the United Kingdom. We'll give you free access to health care, get guns off your streets, and you can have a Royal Family, who to be fair you love quite a bit!??
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Statistics often are nonsense. For instance, if Scotland leaves the UK a male citizen of the UK will live nearly 5 months longer. Figure that!!
Many of my relatives, and my English friends relatives, are over 85 years old and still active. My Mother has lived in London all her life, and aged 92 she has just bought her first automatic car. She drives nearly every day.

A friend of mine went recently to Sterling in Scotland, and visited an English friend living there. They went to visit the graves of her partner and her son. My friend looked around at the headstones and was shocked to see that nearly all the people had died before they were 70 years old!

So that is why the average male will live longer, the Scots will be taken out of the equation! Long live the deep fried Mars bar! (Created in Stonehaven, Scotland)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4103415.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar
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Old 25.08.2014, 20:58
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Assume there are some zeros missing here. Otherwise I'll pay them £117 to shut up about the whole thing.
No there is not, it a difference of 117 on the current figures, in other words the current figure for the UK would go up by 117 pa.

Once should also not that it states oil revenues are excluded!!!
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Just like the Scottish "people" voted to join the Union in 1707 ?
Yes both parliaments, London and Edinburgh, were invited by the Scottish King, James II (English numbering) on the English throne, to join. And both agreed!

www.wiki... Oh look it up yourself!
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Yes both parliaments, London and Edinburgh, were invited by the Scottish King, James II (English numbering) on the English throne, to join. And both agreed!

www.wiki... Oh look it up yourself!
"both parliaments"

Yes, independent represenatives of the wishes of the general populace at the time!??
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Americans… would you like to become part of the United Kingdom. We'll give you free access to health care, get guns off your streets, and you can have a Royal Family, who to be fair you love quite a bit!??
Thanks, but I'll gladly speak for the rest when I say "no thanks."

This thread is great. I haven't followed any of this over the last year or two, aside from occasionally asking a London cabbie what he thought (as I was doomed to him talking anyway), but it's amazing how negative one camp is (better together, for the avoidance of doubt) and how optimistic the other side is, judging from this thread alone.

To Scotland: hell, we didn't plan it out when we went independent. It still worked somehow. Go nuts!
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Can't think anyone from the south of England will loose any sleep, probably beneficial if Scotland left, perhaps wakes will follow
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

If we had sat back and awaited the opinions and judgement of industrialists, bankers and "business gurus" we would still be living in caves, worshiping wolves and donating most of our produce to the same people.

Maintenance of the status quo is their major concern.

Take your own future in your own hands and go for broke.

You have only got your crippling mortgage to loose.
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Old 25.08.2014, 21:26
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It's not "your" pound. It's the UK's pound. If Scotland votes to leave the UK, it cannot expect the remaining UK countries to allow a foreign power to have a say in their domestic monetary policy. You're not being "denied" anything. You're choosing to leave.

Switzerland and Liechtenstein have a currency union because both sides agreed to it. The UK has made it quite clear that it will not agree to currency union with a foreign country. The sovereign will of the people of England, Wales and NI cannot be overriden just because it doesn't suit the Scots.
But precedence suggests otherwise. In 1921 the Irish Free State decided that they would continue to use the pound and faced with the reality of having a second central bank conduct market operations in the Pound the Bank of England had no choice but to negotiate a settlement. It is pretty well impossible to stopping them using the Pound if they really want to do so.

Assuming that you hold all the cards and can dictate the terms of the break up could turn out to be a very big mistake.
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Thanks, but I'll gladly speak for the rest when I say "no thanks."
Oh and we'll get rid of FACTA for you too if it helps
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I strongly disagree. It is selfish in the extreme and doing "just because you can" without having put in place a post yes-result strategy let alone thought through all the consequences of a yes vote could be put in a text-book as a definition of selfish, right after "how not to do it" entry.
Striking for nationhood never comes at the right time!

And i expect that it will national pride and a desire to shape one's own destiny rather than economics that will in the voter's mind when they go into the ballot booth.

That's why I think the No campaign is make a big mistake by suggesting the Scots are not capable of running their own affairs.
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Thanks, but I'll gladly speak for the rest when I say "no thanks."

This thread is great. I haven't followed any of this over the last year or two, aside from occasionally asking a London cabbie what he thought (as I was doomed to him talking anyway), but it's amazing how negative one camp is (better together, for the avoidance of doubt) and how optimistic the other side is, judging from this thread alone.

To Scotland: hell, we didn't plan it out when we went independent. It still worked somehow. Go nuts!
Absolutely right, positive v negative, and if you're watching the TV debate on BBC2 now, it's never been more obvious!

I think Alistair Darling might end up voting yes after this!
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Can't think anyone from the south of England will loose any sleep, probably beneficial if Scotland left, perhaps wakes will follow
True for ENGLAND!
But us enslaved Celtic nationals of CORNWALL in southwest BRITAIN take take a great interest in Scotland gaining independence.
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I am not sure if Scotland voted Yes, why they would then wish to be in the EU, kind of defeats the object of a new Independence.
If Ireland can join EU why can't Scotland ? If they do join they should like Ireland drop the Pound and have Euros would be good to see exchange bureaus at the border I dont think you can put your foot half in you have to go all the way or why bother....
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I was just there in Scotland. The polls are saying 57% stay 43% go.


It will be interesting!
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