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Old 26.08.2014, 10:47
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But precedence suggests otherwise. In 1921 the Irish Free State decided that they would continue to use the pound and faced with the reality of having a second central bank conduct market operations in the Pound the Bank of England had no choice but to negotiate a settlement. It is pretty well impossible to stopping them using the Pound if they really want to do so.

Assuming that you hold all the cards and can dictate the terms of the break up could turn out to be a very big mistake.
That has a precedent I guess. Ireland was never as closely integrated with England as Scotland is. Not least because Ireland was essentially invaded (and colonised) rather than joining the United Kingdom of its own will as Scotland did.

In Elizabethan times there was sometimes trouble as some English traders refused to accept coins that had been minted in Ireland as they believed they didn't have the same value as the English equivalent. There was actually some truth to their suspicion as the Crown, running out of money (as always), had started mixing in cheaper metals to the coins it was using to pay its soldiers in Ireland, and over time these adultered coins had passed into general circulation throughout Ireland. I think there was some rebellion in which this was a partial cause but my history is cloudy so I could be wrong.
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Old 26.08.2014, 10:47
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

This is all down to Mel Gibson!
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If Ireland can join EU why can't Scotland ? If they do join they should like Ireland drop the Pound and have Euros would be good to see exchange bureaus at the border I dont think you can put your foot half in you have to go all the way or why bother....
Sometimes halfway is better!!
For instance, between the frying pan and the fire the halfway point is considered by many to be more agreeable.
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:08
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Perhaps the UK should vote at the same time to see if the English want to get rid of Scotland, now that would be amusing
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Perhaps the UK should vote at the same time to see if the English want to get rid of Scotland, now that would be amusing
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...k-9679439.html

Not really.
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:20
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

What a complete embarrassment that was last night.
It was like two guys sitting in the pub arguing over a football match.
On one side you had Salmond shouting and pulling faces like a 16 year old arguing about who could run faster.
On the other side you had Darling finger pointing and stuttering like a two year old trying to blame his wee brother for pooing on the carpet.

Let's forget this nonsense vote no now then build on it over the next 10 years. Do it right once all questions are answered without risk, , we have competent leaders and there is an overwhelming majority voting one way or another.

I really hope for the sake of Scotland common sense wins at the end of the day.
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:33
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What a complete embarrassment that was last night.
It was like two guys sitting in the pub arguing over a football match.
On one side you had Salmond shouting and pulling faces like a 16 year old arguing about who could run faster.
On the other side you had Darling finger pointing and stuttering like a two year old trying to blame his wee brother for pooing on the carpet.

Let's forget this nonsense vote no now then build on it over the next 10 years. Do it right once all questions are answered without risk, , we have competent leaders and there is an overwhelming majority voting one way or another.

I really hope for the sake of Scotland common sense wins at the end of the day.
I'm sorry Connor, only the most blinkered 'NO' man would suggest last night's debate was anything but a resounding 'YES' victory.

Darling was like a frightened schoolboy, unable to do anything but spout plattitudes read from a sheet, floundering against the more prepared Salmond.

Even the 'YES' hating Grauniad had it as a 71%-29% win for Salmond.
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:34
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What a complete embarrassment that was last night.
It was like two guys sitting in the pub arguing over a football match.
On one side you had Salmond shouting and pulling faces like a 16 year old arguing about who could run faster.
On the other side you had Darling finger pointing and stuttering like a two year old trying to blame his wee brother for pooing on the carpet.
couldn't agree more with this!

The "No" team imho has done a very poor job and Salmond makes me cringe.
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:50
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I'm sorry Connor, only the most blinkered 'NO' man would suggest last night's debate was anything but a resounding 'YES' victory.

Darling was like a frightened schoolboy, unable to do anything but spout plattitudes read from a sheet, floundering against the more prepared Salmond.

Even the 'YES' hating Grauniad had it as a 71%-29% win for Salmond.
Just like the first debate, in my opinion there were no winners, only one loser and that was Scotland.
Two grown supposedly professional men shouting and finger pointing over a countries future in television is embarrassing and wrong.

This is not a game, this is not 'one up' for the other side who then go away laughing and giggling.

This is forever it is not a 4 year election and the problem with Salmond is he makes it a game with his giggling, childish faces etc.. 'Ha ha we got one up in the English'.

It's not a game its my country, my children's country, my grand children's etc countries future.
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:52
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I didn't watch the debate last night, but something occurred to me; since the UK has one of the fastest growing economies at the moment (or so I read), why not use that as an argument; why would you not want to be a part of it? But then Mr. Darling would have to admit the Tory government is doing a not-too-bad job with the economy .
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:56
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I didn't watch the debate last night, but something occurred to me; since the UK has one of the fastest growing economies at the moment (or so I read), why not use that as an argument; why would you not want to be a part of it? But then Mr. Darling would have to admit the Tory government is doing a not-too-bad job with the economy .
good point, I watched last night and Salmond was quick to link Darling
/ Better Together campaign with the Tories and Darling failed miserably to respond adequately
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What a complete embarrassment that was last night.
It was like two guys sitting in the pub arguing over a football match.
On one side you had Salmond shouting and pulling faces like a 16 year old arguing about who could run faster.
On the other side you had Darling finger pointing and stuttering like a two year old trying to blame his wee brother for pooing on the carpet.

Let's forget this nonsense vote no now then build on it over the next 10 years. Do it right once all questions are answered without risk, , we have competent leaders and there is an overwhelming majority voting one way or another.

I really hope for the sake of Scotland common sense wins at the end of the day.
I agree the debate was terrible. But salmond came out on top unfortunately :/
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It's not a game its my country, my children's country, my grand children's etc countries future.
No. It's our country and our children's country.

Too much of the no campaign is about keeping the status quo and everyone down south in their cushty numbers.

Alistair Darling saying 'we' every sentence was sickening. He is not looking out for our interests, he is looking or for Alistair Darling's interests.

It amuses me that the no campaign were quick to judge the first debate a victory, but as soon as their man was trounced in the second, stay to muddy the waters with 'schoolboy behaviour', 'too much shouting'.

Watch again, the only person who pointed directly or raised his voice was darling. Salmond attempted to be civil and conciliatory until it was no longer possible. The body language of darling from about minute 3 onwards was impotent hostility.
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Old 26.08.2014, 12:33
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Salmond is a creepy guy. Certainly would not trust him. Opportunist trying to make his mark in history.
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Well thankfully you don't get a vote.

It might not be your country but it certainly is mine, my families, my future families and it always will be.
I'm sorry, can you read? It is as much my country as it is yours. Hence 'ours'.

I presume you also don't get a vote since your home is Switzerland. You wouldn't be lying about that back home would you?
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Salmond is a creepy guy. Certainly would not trust him. Opportunist trying to make his mark in history.
See this is the kind of crap I can't stand. You don't like him personally and have read a bit of unionist propaganda and so he's "creepy", "untrustworthy", "opportunistic" with all the implied crap about him being a dictator and the Scots being stupid and gullible.

Do you know anything about him personally? Do you know anything about Scottish politics in general? This is a man who led a minrotiy government and did it so well that the Scottish public overwhelmingly voted his party in with a supposedly impossible majority in the last election. He personally, and the SNP in general have approval figures and an electoral mandate which other politicians in the UK can only dream about, he's by some considerable distance the most popular elected politician in the UK, and after nearly 8 years in government, that's some achievement.

His career has been based on other people writing him off and under-estimating him but there he is, despite all the insinuations and outright lies about anti-English, "blood and soil" bullshit. He's popular, and he's popular because he's a very able politician who is more believable and more concerned about the people of Scotland, rather than the usual political concerns about career and party.

Besides, as I'm sure has been pointed out before on this thread, the referendum is not about him, it's about Scotland.

StirB is also 100% right that the No camp were perceived by the media to have pipped the first debate, so were all over that (despite the fact the polls showed more undecideds going to Yes after that night), but now they were so obviously utterly destroyed in the second debate will just badmouth the debate itself. And that's why they're losing the argument, this debate has moved beyond "normal" politics, people don't trust the mainstream political parties and politicians in general much anymore, and the No campaign's lies, scaremongering and propaganda has backfired on them dramatically, to the stage that what looked like a landslide No victory 18 months ago is going to be very, very close, and Yes might even take it on the day.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Also looks like we're winning the debate here too, with the current standings at 56% Yes to 44% No which, incidentally, is my prediction for the actual vote on the 18th.

Vive l'Ecosse!
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Also looks like we're winning the debate here too, with the current standings at 56% Yes to 44% No which, incidentally, is my prediction for the actual vote on the 18th.

Vive l'Ecosse!
Well like the majority of the yes campaign, it doesn't make sense as I'm sure the majority voting are not Scottish and don't reside in Scotland, therefore aren't really that bothered what happens.
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