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YES........ go for it 31 50.00%
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Voting for Scottish Independence?

I'm sure there will be some Scots out there in the forum just kicking their heels to vote yes.

Would you be likely to encourage them?
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I'd vote yes if i was allowed to vote..

Yes I know there are unanswered questions on currency, oil, defence, EU, NATO.. and a hundred other things..

But what's there now is crap.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

It will be a big mistake if they vote yes! But it's up to them, it's their mistake to make.

If they do vote yes, then re-build Hadrian's wall I say!
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

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I'd vote yes if i was allowed to vote..

Yes I know there are unanswered questions on currency, oil, defence, EU, NATO.. and a hundred other things..

But what's there now is crap.
So when you no longer have an EU passport and are treated as non-EU by Switzerland for a permit…. you'll be ok with that!? No passport/EU questions have been answered as far as I'm aware…… Not that Salmond has any questions answered or proper plan!
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So when you no longer have an EU passport and are treated as non-EU by Switzerland for a permit…. you'll be ok with that!? No passport/EU questions have been answered.
My UK passport is valid for another 9 years, on paper

I think they would get EU status by some back door and not much would change for a long a long time.

But bottom line, all that aside. If it doesn't happen now, it never will in our life time. It's history in the making whatever happens.
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Old 24.08.2014, 12:45
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My UK passport is valid for another 9 years, on paper
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scot...tion-1-2961819

If Britain let Scots keep UK Citizenship. They can revoke that passport once you have Scottish citizenship if they want to. Salmond says you can keep it (like the pound)… the UK say X
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I personally think Salmond is leading the Scottish population in the wrong direction. At the last election the Scottish Nationalist Party surprised everyone by gaining a very large share of the vote. No mention was made about independence in the last campaign, and now he is elected he is leading everyone down a dangerous path, for which he was not elected!

But before we have any sour grapes, remember it was a Scottish King James, on an English throne, that invited Scotland to unite with England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland The Kingdom of Scotland continued to exist until 1707. Having entered into a personal union with the kingdoms of England and Ireland following James VI's succession to the English and Irish thrones in 1603, Scotland subsequently entered into a political union with England on 1 May 1707

My opinion is that Scotland would be very foolish to break away: do the people really think they will be richer from oil revenue? Have they not considered the amount Britain invests every year on Scottish social security?

I look forward to the second debate tomorrow,

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/c2...versus-darling

Big TV debate tomorrow evening: BBC-1 in Scotland, BBC-2 rest of the world, at 21:30 Swiss time until (22:59).
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

My only concern is changing the Union Flag, it won't look as good without the blue....
Haggis, McKewans, Whiskey and Golf, I don't care about any of it.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

Your poll is clearly biased, as is so often the case here. If you want to give a simple yes/no then fine, but your extra criteria are ridiculous.

Also you need to include other options, like C) No, there's simply no reason to do so, D) Yes, but only if we keep the pound, E) Yes, but only if we can choose to keep our UK citizenship, and probably the most likely answer for most of the people here F) I don't really care, as I live in Switzerland, not the UK.
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I think they would get EU status by some back door and not much would change for a long a long time.
Well the big question is how can they loose it in the first place! There is no mechanism for dispossessing an EU citizen of their citizenship rights. Remember they are not voting on staying or leaving the EU. So if you can not disposes citizens of their rights how can you exclude their country???

And of course another question is which if any state (Scotland or the UK) should be recognised as retaining the current membership???

I have a feeling this will all end up in the EU courts...
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scot...tion-1-2961819

If Britain let Scots keep UK Citizenship. They can revoke that passport once you have Scottish citizenship if they want to. Salmond says you can keep it (like the pound)… the UK say X
The one think I miss in this entire debate is a clear statement from the NO campaign as to what exactly are the advantages to Scotland of staying in the Union. The entire campaign appears to be based on the premiss bad things will happen if you leave.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I don't know much about the background of this voting or Scotland. But I'm wondering what is the benefit to be independent from UK...
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My opinion is that Scotland would be very foolish to break away: do the people really think they will be richer from oil revenue? Have they not considered the amount Britain invests every year on Scottish social security?
Yes but nationhood and the right to determine one's destiny rarely has much to do with economics. And clearly the voting patterns are very different to the rest of the UK.

But speaking of economics it would be interesting to see where an independent Scotland would fit into the picture, given the that Ireland is the UK's sixth biggest trading partner, it might not be wise to burn too many bridges with them (Scotland).
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I think they would get EU status by some back door and not much would change for a long a long time.
Most EU countries are watching Scotland with shock. Many have their own "wishful thinking, break away citizens", and most countries have stated they will not agree to Scotland joining the EU.

So if Scotland leaves the EU, it will not get back in again, it will join Norway and Iceland in a crowd of three. Greenland left the EEC in 1985, but the EU has changed since then, not a club any longer, more a federation.
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I'd vote yes if i was allowed to vote..

Yes I know there are unanswered questions on currency, oil, defence, EU, NATO.. and a hundred other things..

But what's there now is crap.
Please re read what you have just written and tell me if you truly believe that risk is worth taking.
This isn't just a 4 year election this is changing the history of our country for good.
Sadly there is around 40% of the current Scottish residents that have this same ridiculous, head in the sand, stupid, not thought out attitude.

For the sake of my countries future I really do hope common sense will prevail and the Braveheart movie watchers will disappear and stop embarrassing my country.

Especially Salmond, hopefully this laughing stock of a slime ball will disappear under the rock he came from.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

From Wikipedia:
The total value of international exports from Scotland in 2011 (excluding oil and gas) was estimated at £23.9billion, of which £14.7billion was from the manufacturing sector and £7.7billion from the services sector. The top five exporting industries in 2011 were food & beverages (£4.2billion), manufacture of coke, refined petroleum and chemical products (£3.7billion), manufacture of computer, electronic and optical products (£1.4billion), financial and insurance activities (£1.4billion) and manufacture of machinery and equipment (£1.4billion). The total value of exports from Scotland to the rest of UK in 2011 (excluding oil and gas) was estimated at £45.5billion, of which £24.5billion was from the services sector and £11.6billion from the manufacturing sector.

Elsewhere in Wiki it states that most oil fields will remain operational for the next 6 years, but what is Salmond proposing after that? From Wiki it seems that the Scots sent ⅔ of their exports to the UK and just ⅓ to the rest of the world. So there is a lot of work to be done to maintain their standard of living.

If Scotland leaves, I think many companies will move their headquarters to London and deprive Scotland of tax revenue.
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Re: Voting for Scottish Independence?

I was hoping nobody would mention Braveheart....

The Braveheart Film story is based on Blind Harry's epic poem The Actes and Deidis of the Illustre and Vallyeant Campioun Schir William Wallace and was adapted for the screen by Randall Wallace.

It has been described as one of the most historically inaccurate modern films.
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Yes but nationhood and the right to determine one's destiny rarely has much to do with economics. And clearly the voting patterns are very different to the rest of the UK.
But Scotland makes it's own laws, it has it's own parliament, and can easily create a different country and still remain within the UK. Salmond should be deported to east Ukraine!
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I think they would get EU status by some back door and not much would change for a long a long time.
I am not sure if Scotland voted Yes, why they would then wish to be in the EU, kind of defeats the object of a new Independence.
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