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Does anyone have figures of how many ISIS fighters were killed and how many civilians in the aerial bombing ?

I looked up a few sites but numbers are vague, if any.

aerial bombing ;you mean like Dresten ,Cambodia and Gaza BTW civilians only live civilized country
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Old 13.10.2014, 19:49
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very likely


A) the Turkish army corps North of the Syrian border is as powerful as the entire Syrian army
B) the Turkish army Corps North of the Iraqi border is as powerful as the entire Iraqi army
C) the Turks actively think of getting either Mosul or Aleppo BACK, It is the so-called NEO-OSMAN Trends


basically, Turkey will not tolerate any attacks of ISIS against the Turkish armed forces
-- during the Battle on the Sakarya when the Turks had lost their last rail-line (Eskisehir-AfyonKarahissar) to the Greeks, Mustafa Kemal Pasha was not impressed and dryly remarked "" what about railways `?, what counts is our army and the army is still there ""
- the present borderline north of Iraq and Syria is the Mustafa Kemal / Von der Goltz line of 1917

But again, the Turkish leadership does NOT want to be seen as a Turkey conquering Arab lands

I see you have seen the movie
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Old 13.10.2014, 21:18
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Does anyone have figures of how many ISIS fighters were killed and how many civilians in the aerial bombing ?

I looked up a few sites but numbers are vague, if any.
I don't think there is anyone there to count bodies and report reliably. Also, ISIS changed its tactics since the airstrikes. They are blending into the civilian population, and are no longer flying their flags when on the move. The airstrikes has not protected Kobani, and they have taken over most of Anbar province.

The airstrikes have not been effective in stopping them in the short term. They have been deploying F-22s. They knock out a couple of vehicles and tanks per sortie, and run only a handful per day. In the case of Kobani, I don't know why they didn't deploy A-10 Warthogs instead.

This is the best breakdown I've found to date:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...C04/edit#gid=0

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Old 13.10.2014, 22:31
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Re: Islamic State

All this firepower against a poorly armed, poorly trained enemy in open ground with hardlyany results. No figures for civilan casualties either.

If the Kurds (or even te Turks) can't give coordinates of IS positions they are not much of a fighting force.

I won't be surprised if IS takes Baghdad while the world watches Kobani.
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Old 13.10.2014, 23:21
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Like the US was in Vietnam?

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Old 13.10.2014, 23:47
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All this firepower against a poorly armed, poorly trained enemy in open ground with hardlyany results. No figures for civilan casualties either.

If the Kurds (or even te Turks) can't give coordinates of IS positions they are not much of a fighting force.

I won't be surprised if IS takes Baghdad while the world watches Kobani.

They HAVE the positions. But aerial bombardments cannot replace ground operations.
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Old 13.10.2014, 23:57
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I see you have seen the movie
http://www.zvab.com/buch-suchen/tite...or/von-mikusch

I do not refer to a movie but to the book of Dagobert von Mikusch about Mustafa Kemal Pasha published by the Paul List Verlag in 1929 in Leipzig


And here General Mustafa Kemal Pasha and General Otto Liman von Sanders
https://www.google.ch/search?q=Musta...tm%3B400%3B301


HERE https://www.google.ch/search?q=Musta...vi%3B500%3B340
https://www.google.ch/search?q=Musta...24%3B630%3B443
the Emperor of Iran and the President of the Turkish Republic

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Re: Islamic State

Cafe named Isis forced to change its name over fears of being linked to terrorist group:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....change-7918393
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Old 16.10.2014, 00:59
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Re: Islamic State

Kobani has not fallen despite the Kurds being outnumbered and outgunned by ISIS. One woman fighter is said to have had 100 ISIS kills. Their secret? They made no room for fear.

Meanwhile, in Iraq, ISIS has surrounded yet another military base. Security forces threaten to quit if the US does not send troops. This indicates they have already lost, have no will to win, and a battle for Baghdad is near.

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Cafe named Isis forced to change its name over fears of being linked to terrorist group:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....change-7918393
What about this geezer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Daish
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Old 16.10.2014, 01:16
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Kobani has not fallen despite the Kurds being outnumbered and outgunned by ISIS. One woman fighter is said to have had 100 ISIS kills. They're secret? They made no room for fear.

Meanwhile, in Iraq, ISIS has surrounded yet another military base. Security forces threaten to quit if the US does not send troops. This indicates they have already lost, have no will to win, and a battle for Baghdad is near.
Very difficult to capture a town if the defenders are really determined. It is house to house fighting and the defenders are always in good hidden and prepared defence positions while the attackers have to expose themselves to move forward.

About "Security forces threaten to quit ..." as you posted the Iraqi army seem to have lost the will to fight; one would have imagined the videos of ISIS killing captured Iraqi soldiers would have shown them surrendering is a poor option?
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Old 16.10.2014, 20:25
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Re: Islamic State

More beheading http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=86939
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Re: Islamic State

Did you really mean to put the cool icon ( ) next to "More beheading"? If so, then all I can say is that's pretty sick.
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Did you really mean to put the cool icon ( ) next to "More beheading"? If so, then all I can say is that's pretty sick.

NO! more like WTF ,Good guy /Bad guy ,not much different .Sorry for the confusion
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Kobani has not fallen despite the Kurds being outnumbered and outgunned by ISIS. One woman fighter is said to have had 100 ISIS kills. Their secret? They made no room for fear.

Meanwhile, in Iraq, ISIS has surrounded yet another military base. Security forces threaten to quit if the US does not send troops. This indicates they have already lost, have no will to win, and a battle for Baghdad is near.

The strength and the weakness of the Iraqi army is that 85% of that force are in and around Baghdad, and the situation in Syria is comparable


If you check it on the map you can see that ISIS conquered land in areas not really defended by the government armies. You may mention Mosul but Mosul is heavily Kurdish and those in Baghdad had no desire to the Job of the Kurds.
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Old 17.10.2014, 00:43
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Re: Islamic State

Without getting much cooperation from Turkey, the US started working with the Kurdish PYD. They opened tactical communications, cooperating closely on ISIS targets in Kobani. As a result, efficacy of airstrikes increased. Pentagon believes several hundred ISIS fighters were killed, it halted ISIS progress in Kobani, and the Kurds reclaimed key parts of Kobani.

The US should have done this sooner. Its so simple to determine the good side from the bad side. Those pretty fighters are on the good side. US should protect them and send them weapons to at least match ISIS.
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Old 17.10.2014, 01:18
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The strength and the weakness of the Iraqi army is that 85% of that force are in and around Baghdad, and the situation in Syria is comparable


If you check it on the map you can see that ISIS conquered land in areas not really defended by the government armies. You may mention Mosul but Mosul is heavily Kurdish and those in Baghdad had no desire to the Job of the Kurds.

Wrong wolly ! It is my understanding that the army was in place. The officer abounded there troops they in turn threw there weapons away .On the end there where massacred by the hundred or thousands by the ISIS.


Lessons for the swiss , keep the military as it is
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Wrong wolly ! It is my understanding that the army was in place. The officer abounded there troops they in turn threw there weapons away .On the end there where massacred by the hundred or thousands by the ISIS.


Lessons for the swiss , keep the military as it is

WHY exactly did the officers abound their troops ?


The reasons are subject to speculation, but one of the reasons is that the Iraqi Air Force was NOT yet re-established
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Without getting much cooperation from Turkey, the US started working with the Kurdish PYD. They opened tactical communications, cooperating closely on ISIS targets in Kobani. As a result, efficacy of airstrikes increased. Pentagon believes several hundred ISIS fighters were killed, it halted ISIS progress in Kobani, and the Kurds reclaimed key parts of Kobani.

The US should have done this sooner. Its so simple to determine the good side from the bad side. Those pretty fighters are on the good side. US should protect them and send them weapons to at least match ISIS.
Why are you making constant references to the Kurdish fighters being cute and pretty?
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Why are you making constant references to the Kurdish fighters being cute and pretty?
They impress the hell out of me. It's like a fight between the forces of good and beauty versus the forces of dark evil.


What does this beheading have to do with the thread? They behead someone on the average of once every two days.

Oh, and errrmmm..... they aren't Muslims, and it isn't Islam.
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