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Old 09.12.2014, 13:19
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I think it's got less to do with religion and more to do with psychopaths.
Indeed: bloodthirsty people will always find a way to satisfy their lust for violence, whether it be through religion, politics or football.
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Old 09.12.2014, 13:20
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I think it's got less to do with religion and more to do with psychopaths.
Psychopathy, even sociopathy, describes a personal disorder. When it comes to such a large number; estimates of 50,000 to 100,000, it does not fit that pathology.
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Old 09.12.2014, 13:27
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Psychopathy, even sociopathy, describes a personal disorder. When it comes to such a large number; estimates of 50,000 to 100,000, it does not fit that pathology.

True, but the principle is the same: this is about people's personality - their personal wickedness - rather than the particular flavour of ice cream they prefer.
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Old 09.12.2014, 13:32
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True, but the principle is the same: this is about people's personality - their personal wickedness - rather than the particular flavour of ice cream they prefer.
That same wickedness is rampant throughout the whole world. Shortly, the US will be releasing findings from Senate investigation on Bush interrogation techniques (torture). I don't think there is any place in the world, or any people who have not exercised this wickedness. But something there allows them to, repeatedly, with impunity through their own justification. What is it?
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What is it?

Lawlessness.


Nature abhors a vacuum. Vicious people love one.
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Old 09.12.2014, 13:49
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Lawlessness.


Nature abhors a vacuum. Vicious people love one.
But they have a dress code, not allowed to drink alcohol and not allowed to smoke cigarettes, so there are strict laws there. But yet it allows them and even persuades them to do these things. Obviously, they were taught this, no?

So they believe Allah is alright with shedding innocent non-muslim blood, but may have big problems with nicotine stained teeth?
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Old 09.12.2014, 14:31
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But they have a dress code, not allowed to drink alcohol and not allowed to smoke cigarettes, so there are strict laws there. But yet it allows them and even persuades them to do these things. Obviously, they were taught this, no?
Lots of vicious thugs have a dress code. Here are some closer to home for you:



And I bet they all share your religion.
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So they believe Allah is alright with shedding innocent non-muslim blood, but may have big problems with nicotine stained teeth?

Given that the overwhelming majority of their victims are Allah-believing Muslims, it's pretty clear that they're just talking shite and using any old excuse to satisfy their wicked desires.
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Old 09.12.2014, 14:58
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And I bet they all share your religion.
Freemasonry?
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Given that the overwhelming majority of their victims are Allah-believing Muslims, it's pretty clear that they're just talking shite and using any old excuse to satisfy their wicked desires.
you can say that for sooooo many other groups, not just IS, but current and past regimes in various countries
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Old 09.12.2014, 16:35
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you can say that for sooooo many other groups, not just IS, but current and past regimes in various countries
say, lets keep the Germans out of this thread.

So if ISIS is not Islamic, then the Crusades wasn't Catholic by the same logic. <--Christopher Hitchen's pointed this out

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So if ISIS is not Islamic, then the Crusades wasn't Catholic by the same logic. <--Christopher Hitchen's pointed this out
Are you calling Obama a liar?

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"Now let's make two things clear: ISIL is not 'Islamic.' No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state. It was formerly al-Qaeda's affiliate in Iraq, and has taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border. It is recognized by no government, nor the people it subjugates. ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way."
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Old 09.12.2014, 17:23
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say, lets keep the Germans out of this thread.

So if ISIS is not Islamic, then the Crusades wasn't Catholic by the same logic. <--Christopher Hitchen's pointed this out
Whoever Christopher Hitchen is? No matter, the Crusades were directly instigated by the Pope of the time calling on all Christians in the Western world to go to the Holy Land and take it back from the infidels. And this did happen over 1,000 years ago btw and has no bearing on the way things are done or perceived by the Catholic Church in the 21st century.

The leader of ISIS is just that, the leader of ISIS. He doesn't speak for the many Muslims around the world who are appalled by what this organisation is doing in the name of their religion.
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Old 09.12.2014, 17:23
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Are you calling Obama a liar?
Well he's a politician, so of course he's a liar..... I mean Lawyer.

This guy who grew up Muslim, son of an Imam, talks about what he believed and was taught while growing up. Is he lying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnkPmeF3fSY
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Old 09.12.2014, 17:28
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Whoever Christopher Hitchen is?
Sorry, that was some other atheist intellectual who recently penned that point. Now I forgot who it was.
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Old 09.12.2014, 17:29
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Indeed: bloodthirsty people will always find a way to satisfy their lust for violence, whether it be through religion, politics or football.
At least in football the participants tend to mutully agree that they want to fight.

If you don't wear the colours and sort of stay out of the way, you're probably safe.

But these guys are against everybody whose not one of them.

(I've long been an advocate of returning to the medievil rules of football and giving the ball (or Cromwell's head) back to the fans so they can work it out for themselves, making it less of a spectator sport whilst also saving on all those expensive salaries for useless players)
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But they have a dress code, not allowed to drink alcohol and not allowed to smoke cigarettes, so there are strict laws there. But yet it allows them and even persuades them to do these things. Obviously, they were taught this, no?

So they believe Allah is alright with shedding innocent non-muslim blood, but may have big problems with nicotine stained teeth?

According to W-Bush (Junior) they are PATRIOTS who did an excellent job
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Good article from the Beeb.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30409764

Maybe the state will collapse, but unfortunately the ideas behind it won't.
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Old 11.12.2014, 12:24
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But these guys are against everybody whose not one of them.
Same goes for the USA, at least if you think some bloke named George W. Bush has any relevance:
"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"
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But these guys are against everybody whose not one of them.
As has been the case for most of the wars fought down through the centuries. Muslims against Christians, Catholics against Protestants, Sunnis against Shias, Nazis against everyone else. Trying to force a belief, whatever it is, on others will always lead to conflict somewhere.
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